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Re: Signal levels in MCL

pgerell — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:36:40 GMT

Great! Now I can see how it all should work.

I will start out with standard cables to verify the functionality before moving to custom cables.

/Peter

Re: Signal levels in MCL

Ignace — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:22:31 GMT

I guess the Beosystem and MX are too far apart for a direct connection and then split?

Anyway, below is the B&O recommended setup:

************************* VIDEO SYSTEM SETUP **************************

Beovision MX 7000 IT

Connection Video

Connect the aerial to the aerial input of the TV-set.

Selecting option on the TV-set

Option: OPTION 1 (Factory setting), with Beo4

When using the remote control mute function, sound is
restored by turning the volume up or down.

************************* AUDIO SYSTEM SETUP **************************

Beosystem 6500
Beovox passive

Connection Audio

Connect the Beovox to the SPEAKERS 1 socket on the audio
master using a loudspeaker cable.

Connect the aerial to the aerial input of the audio master.

Selecting option on the audio master

Option: OPTION 1

Press: STAND-BY SOUND 1 STORE

Option: OPTION 1 (Factory setting), with Beo4

Note!

The Beomaster 6500 must be equipped with software (S/W) 1.4 or
higher, part no. 8341309, to enable the following operations:
- fine tuning using the MCP 6500 (press GOTO, << or >> ),
- programming of the Beomaster to switch to stand-by at a specific
time.

********************* AUDIO/VIDEO/LINK SYSTEM SETUP *******************

To obtain Link intergration the main room must be equipped with a
Beolink Converter, part No. 1161166
BeoLink Converter, part No. 1161466 will not work

Connection

Connect the AUX/TV socket of the audio master to the AUDIO
AUX LINK socket of the TV-set using a 7/7-pin DIN cable.

Connect the BeoLink Converter to the TV and audiomaster
using a 7/7-pin DIN cable and a T-connector part No. 6270702

Note!

All Timer PLAY programming must be made on the radio.
Set Timer ON/OFF to ON on the products to be switched on via the
Timer programming.

It is not possible to use the timer function for programming
VIDEO PLAY or VIDEO STAND-BY.

********************* REMOTE CONTROL FOR MAIN ROOM ********************

The recommended remote control is Beo4

The following remote controls may also be used:
Beolink 7000 (1-way IR setup for the Video system)
Beolink 5000 (1-way IR setup for the Video system)
Beolink 1000

However, there may be functional limitations if the alternative remote control is used

Setup for Beo4 remote control:

Beo4's "LIST" must contain the following items in order to be able
to operate the Main Room products.

LARGE REVEAL INDEX UDDATE MIX SUBCODE STORE
MONO (changed to SOUND with S/W 4.0 or higher in Beo4)
TURN RETURN
(RESET)
A.SETUP (only with S/W 2.0 or higher in Beo4)
AV (only with S/W 4.0 or higher in Beo4)

See Beo4's operation manual page 10/12 on REMOVE and ADD functions
from/to the List

Note!
Beo4 must be equipped with software (S/W) 2.0 or higher to operate:
Setup and tuning functions on the Videomaster.
The software version can be read on the Beo4 display by
pressing (STANDBY LIST) and then (MENU GO) at the same time.
Order No. 8001827

At battery replacement or battery failure of Beolink 5000, the
remote control must be set to 1-way mode again. Other wise it will
not be possible to operate the Video- or Audiomaster.

*************************** LINK SYSTEM SETUP *************************

Master Link
BeoLab 3500 (LCS 9000)

Connection

Connect the Master Link cable to the Master Link socket on the
BeoLink Converter in the central room.

Connect the Master Link cable to the Master Link socket of
BeoLab 3500.
Connect BeoLab 3500 to the mains.

Setting of option in the Link room

BeoLab 3500:
Option 6, with Beo4

Note!

The audio master in the main room cannot distribute PC sources, e.g.
N.MUSIC and N.RADIO to the Master Link system.
The PC sources are therefore only local sources in this Link room

If LCS 9000 is equipped with S/W 1.0, the Master Link setup must be
made on the product itself. This is done in the following way:

Press:          STAND-BY MENU 09 PLAY    Display reads out: ML OFF
Press:          STEP UP                     Display reads out: ML ON
Press:          STORE
                Disconnects mains
                Connect mains
Press:          STAND-BY LINK 6 STORE

If LCS 9000 has a series number lower than 10552474, pins 4 and 12
must be short-circuited in the ML socket on LCS 9000. See also
Technical Information 160X-2

When the stand-by function is activated in the Link room, the
audio master in the Main room will always go on stand-by.

********************* REMOTE CONTROL FOR LINK ROOM ********************

The recommended remote control is Beo4

The following remote controls may also be used:
Beolink 1000

Setup for Beo4 remote controle:

Beo4's "LIST" must contain the following items to be able
to operate the products from the Link Room.

CLOCK
MONO (changed to SOUND with S/W 4.0 or higher in Beo4)
TURN RETURN
(RESET)
A.SETUP (only with S/W 2.0 or higher in Beo4)
AV (only with S/W 4.0 or higher in Beo4)

Re: Signal levels in MCL

pgerell — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:14:08 GMT

Thank you.

I think I will try that. As the AUX/Datalink signals are all low level it should be possible to use my existing LexCom cables. I just have to build a pair of custom cables with a RJ45 in one end and 7-pin DIN in the other end.

No, I haven't seen that overview.

/Peter

Re: Signal levels in MCL

Ignace — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:48:06 GMT

It is a basic T-connector , part No. 6270702

The setup with a T-connector is the B&O recommended setup for

- BS6500 + MX7000 + BL3500

Do you have the overview of the Config Guide on this setup ?

Re: Signal levels in MCL

pgerell — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:42:59 GMT

Ignace:

Have you used an AUX-splitter yet ?
Basically AUX between BM6500 and MX, the other AUX goes to the Beolink-converter.
(keeping MCL between the BM and MX and then convert to ML)

No, I haven't tried that.

Is the AUX-splitter a passive device like the ML junction boxes or is some logic involved?

/Peter

Re: Signal levels in MCL

Ignace — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:08:41 GMT

Have you used an AUX-splitter yet ?

Basically AUX between BM6500 and MX, the other AUX goes to the Beolink-converter.
(keeping MCL between the BM and MX and then convert to ML)

Re: Signal levels in MCL

pgerell — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 02:40:15 GMT

Thank you Keith

I think SW 1.0 will suffice for me for now.

Last night I tried this configuration

BS6500 <-> BL Converter <-> ML cable <-> Beolink video (1615?) <-> MX7000

When I pressed CD on the Beo4 in my TV room, the BS6500 did turn on and the CD started to play, but I didn't get any sound.

I also tried the other way around. When pressing AV-TV or AV-V.TAPE on my BL1000 the Beomaster is turned on and showes AUX on the display. But still no sound.

What can be wrong here?

Thanks Peter

Re: Signal levels in MCL

Keith Saunders — Thu, 18 Oct 2007 01:17:31 GMT

Peter,

The main differences that you will see between the software versions other than the display mostly effects control of linked TV's in the same room as the Beolab 3500. Things like changing TV channel can only be done using the number buttons for example. Basically version 1.0 software did not provide all the Masterlink functions, however if you do not need those functions then leave it as is.

Re: Signal levels in MCL

pgerell — Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:37:46 GMT

Hi everyone.

Here's an update on my progress so far.

I finally got around to buy some cables.

I have made the following connections

BS6500 <-> BL Converter (1611) <-> ML cable <-> BL3500

I still haven't detected any problems even though the BL3500 has SW 1.0

Does anyone know the differences between the SW-versions? Apart from the obvious ones like the renaming of SAT to DTV and PHONO to N.RADIO.

Personally I prefer the old names as my system actually starts playing vinyl when I select N.RADIO on my BEO4.

Once again: Thank you for the support.

/Peter

Re: Signal levels in MCL

Peter — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:38:03 GMT

Frank Rizzo:
Hi Peter....
Even after reading the ML/MCL book over and over ....I still do not understand how you can take Speaker level inputs and go IN to a ML/MCL converter as those speaker slots are for speaker OUT.....
I know how it works the other way...from converting ML to MCL....cause it's basically an amp....
How is that?? thanks,

You may be correct. The box is two way as far as codes are concerned - data transfers backwards and forwards through the box so that the ML and MCL components talk to each other. I only have experience of using MCL from ML and not the other way round. The MCL2AV basically steps down the amplified output by using a large resistance so that it becomes variable line level. It then has a pre-amplifier to allow separate volume control though the level it can amplify to depends on the initial volume, hence my qualification.

Re: Signal levels in MCL

pgerell — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:42:27 GMT

Thank you Keith, that's good news for me.

I will contact my dealer for the upgrade and some cables.

/Peter

Re: Signal levels in MCL

Keith Saunders — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:14:07 GMT

Peter,

There is an upgrade for the Beolab 3500 to take it to the latest version which is version 2.1 Click HERE for details

You can also find other information related to the Beolab 3500 HERE

Your Beosystem 6500 will work perfectly via the type 1611 converter to the upgraded Beolab 3500

Re: Signal levels in MCL

pgerell — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:44:30 GMT

Thank you Keith.

My BL3500 is of version 1.0. Is there an upgrade?

What functionallity is missing? Does it only support a subset or are there compatibility problems?

I guess my Beosystem 6500 + relevant converter is not fully compliant with ML either.

Maybe the only way to find out is to test? The only problem then is to figure out why it doesn't work.

I don't know what I would have done without this site. I'm sure I can work this out with your excellent support

/Peter

Re: Signal levels in MCL

Keith Saunders — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:06:12 GMT

With regards to the Beolab 3500, it depends on the software version of the Beolab 3500.

For fully complient with Masterlink from the Beolab 3500 it must be at least version 2.0

Re: Signal levels in MCL

Frank Rizzo — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:47:42 GMT

Hi Peter....

Even after reading the ML/MCL book over and over ....I still do not understand how you can take Speaker level inputs and go IN to a ML/MCL converter as those speaker slots are for speaker OUT.....

I know how it works the other way...from converting ML to MCL....cause it's basically an amp....

How is that?? thanks,