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Re: RedLine 60 versus BeoLab 8000 speakers - and the winner worries me.....

mobeyone — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:55:20 GMT

Another fan of redlines here, they are a superb speaker and I am on the lookout for the later 6000s.

As for the 8000s... I actually prefer my 5000s over the them!

Re: RedLine 60 versus BeoLab 8000 speakers - and the winner worries me.....

Puncher — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:49:37 GMT

I would think that only your dealer can tell you whether they are still available - certainly worth a visit or phone call.

Re: RedLine 60 versus BeoLab 8000 speakers - and the winner worries me.....

Hassan — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:54:14 GMT

HI steve im going to go with option nuber 3 im gonna ask my B&O dealer for the Tuned Port ki, do they still produce the Tuned Port kits??

Thanks very much

Re: RedLine 60 versus BeoLab 8000 speakers - and the winner worries me.....

Puncher — Tue, 27 May 2008 13:44:39 GMT

STARDUST:

hI
Im interested in purchasing you port kit
email me : soulbrother@webmail.co.za
stardust

Hi Bradley,

I have emailed you with details of the "port kit" that I have, the B&O part number for the replacements is 8480128. They were certainly available from the dealer on the 4th Jan 2007, when these were purchased (at a cost of £58.24). They are for RL60 type 6503 and convert from ABR to a tuned port bass system.

Re: RedLine 60 versus BeoLab 8000 speakers - and the winner worries me.....

STARDUST — Tue, 27 May 2008 07:58:53 GMT

Im interested in purchasing you port kit

email me : soulbrother@webmail.co.za

stardust

Re: RedLine 60 versus BeoLab 8000 speakers - and the winner worries me.....

STARDUST — Tue, 27 May 2008 07:57:35 GMT

HI im interested in your tuned port.

i need to improve my speakers type 6503

email me : soulbrother@webmail.co.za

is gives terrible bass

stardust

Re: RedLine 60 v.

STARDUST — Tue, 27 May 2008 07:52:40 GMT

I've got a pair of redline 60 speakers aswell type 6503

abr is rattling.I never touched the speakers.

adviSe me how to change the abr to the bass port AND where to I get this.

the capictors are still original .should I change this.

Please help as I am very disapointed with speaker in terms the bass.note clarity is perfect but bass no no

tHANK YOU

BRADLEY(STARDUST)

Re: RedLine 60 versus BeoLab 8000 speakers - and the winner worries me.....

Puncher — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 04:56:50 GMT

I too had to replace my ABR's with the tuned port conversion some years ago and, I'm ashamed to say, I've had a capacitor kit to refresh the crossovers since some time around Christmas and haven't yet got around to doing it yet! The plan was (is) to measure the freqency response before and after (with the limited kit I've got) to try to demonstrate the level of improvement - unfortunately my wife won't leave me to my own devices for a whole day (in an empty house) to do it. I will post the results when I get around to doing it.

I also have a spare pair of tuned port conversions if anyone else is interested as I ordered anoher pair around christmas time as I was told that they were making the ABR's again (wrongly as it turned out).

My RL60's deinitely sounded better when they were wall mounted than they do now on floor stands (a concession to getting rid of them completely - our wives must be related).

Re: RedLine 60 versus BeoLab 8000 speakers - and the winner worries me.....

Steve at Sounds Heavenly — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 04:28:21 GMT

Hi Puncher,

I'm not sure what general opinions of the RedLine 60 are, but I LOVE them! I know they don't quite have the same bass weight or overall tone of the 140, but when properly upgraded (ie. bass port instead of ABR, plus 250 volt uprated capacitors), the original mk.1 RL60 can really sing. Their only real failings are their sensitivity to room placement (although this was their main selling point!) and their appearance. After many weeks of annoying my wife by carefully moving "those bl**dy great ugly things" (her quote, not mine!) a few inches and then listening, before carefully moving them a bit more, I can confirm that their positioning is critical to their sound quality. They also make great AV speakers with (shock, horror!) the Loudness control switched on.......

I admit to being really disappointed after an hour of serious listening to some new BL8000's at the Derby showroom recently, as I love their styling and I SOOOO wanted them to sound good enough to buy! Acoustic, jazz and light classical music seemed to quite suit them, but they really struggled with the same beat-driven dance tracks that could make the RedLines come alive. It's hard to define what makes the RedLines so good, but since I got them I find I'm singing along to the tracks that I didn't used to like and even dancing around the room at times, before I realise what I'm doing......

I'm due to audition some mk.3 Pentas next Tuesday at another B&O dealer, and my experience with the 8000's has taught me to be cautious and try not to "judge the book by its cover". I last heard Pentas in action almost 20 years ago at a B&O launch in the Great Hall at Belvoir Castle (Leicestershire) as an impoverished student and I was absolutely awestruck. Now that I can finally afford a pair, I'm hoping I can re-create that same feeling at home, every day!

Here's to the love of music and the quest for perfection......

Steve.

Re: RedLine 60 versus BeoLab 8000 speakers - and the winner worries me.....

Puncher — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 07:19:50 GMT

I must admit to be very suprised having read this thread - I was certainly under the impression that BL8000's would be a significant increase in sound quality to RL60's, given the general opinion of members, while the Pentas, although very highly regarded, won't suit many a requirment because of their bulk. I too auditioned 8000's not so long ago, albeit in store, and was impressed by the sound (although I never got as far as auditioning in my own home, alongside my own RL60's). From the old site I gathered the consensus was that the RL60 was the entry level "serious" speaker of the range in its day as opposed to RL35/45 which were aimed more at link rooms and sound reinforcement roles whereas the RL140 was the (by far) better serious speaker. It seems here that the agreement is that the RL60 is a serious contender (and arguably better than the BL8000). While the styling of the 8000 is beyond question (to most) I'm still amazed that its performance is that close to an RL60 especially given the price of the BL8000's.

Its a shame none of the RL family were involved in the speaker shoot out in Newcastle for a comparative review.

Re: RedLine 60 versus BeoLab 8000 speakers - and the winner worries me.....

fridsten — Tue, 28 Aug 2007 03:13:39 GMT

stevem:
If the Pentas meet my expectations sonically, I'm planning to use some of the money I save (against the original planned BL8000's) to buy several very large, heavy soft toys to block our daughter's route to the speakers!

So basically you've found an inexpensive way to change the acoustic properties of the room. Soft toys everywhere...

Re: RedLine 60 versus BeoLab 8000 speakers - and the winner worries me.....

Steve at Sounds Heavenly — Tue, 28 Aug 2007 02:50:33 GMT

Hi everyone,

Thanks again for all the ideas! The reason I had to ignore the BL9's is that we have a toddler in the house - that acoustic lens is just at eye level for our resident "explorer", with a very inviting soft dome tweeter just within reach inside...... At least with the Pentas, the grilles protect the drivers to some extent and I understand that these can be changed/removed for cleaning if required. (At present, my RedLines are up on the wall out of harm's way!)

If the Pentas meet my expectations sonically, I'm planning to use some of the money I save (against the original planned BL8000's) to buy several very large, heavy soft toys to block our daughter's route to the speakers!

As an aside, I did look at getting a cheaper source unit, but I just know I would look at it every day and think "I could have had a BeoSound 9000" - and that's the decider really. Plus, the multi-CD unit fits perfectly with my lifestyle, ie. fill with disks at the start of the evening, press "Play" and relax..........

Cheers,

Steve.

Re: RedLine 60 versus BeoLab 8000 speakers - and the winner worries me.....

Alex — Fri, 24 Aug 2007 06:54:12 GMT

I agree, the Pentas really are a pretty phenomenal pair of speakers. Up until B&O released the BeoLab 9s, the Pentas were the best speakers B&O had made bar the 5s. I think the 9s are superior though, better bass extension, far better high-frequency (the Pentas can sound a bit too 'fluffy' by today's standards). Only thing the Pentas have over the 9s is the height of the sound stage, although that's more a bi-product of the fact that the 9's acoustic lenses make sure you get minimal ceiling reflections.

Re: RedLine 60 versus BeoLab 8000 speakers - and the winner worries me.....

Jandyt — Fri, 24 Aug 2007 05:45:04 GMT

Steve, I'll lay odds that, once you've heard the Pentas, you'll buy them
Take your own CDs or DVDs with you and don't be afraid to crank up the volume.
Good luck mate!

Andy T.

Re: RedLine 60 versus BeoLab 8000 speakers - and the winner worries me.....

Alex — Fri, 24 Aug 2007 04:53:32 GMT

Agreed, and the BeoSound 4 is a very nice unit indeed, it's got 'wow factor' although not in the same way as the 9000 (it's more discreet). BeoLab 9s are better than Pentas, and you'd probably find this is the best setup sonically. It's likely to be more expensive, but it'd be worth it. BeoLab 9s need to be set up correctly (usually they end up sounding boomy), and when they are sounding as they should, they sound wonderful.