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Re: Official DVD2 pictures on Mediacenter

Alex — Sun, 26 Aug 2007 09:48:26 GMT

I love the design. If the build quality is anything like the HDR2, then it'll be flawless from that respect. However, I'm skipping over the internals...

Re: Official DVD2 pictures on Mediacenter

Goldfrog88 — Sun, 26 Aug 2007 07:56:16 GMT

For those of you guys who say the design isn't for you, ask yourself what should the design be like? Personally I love the new BS3 - DVD2 design. I had a Beosystem 5000 for 15 years; my son has it now. It reminds me of that.

If you're worried about the price, you shouldn't be looking at B&O. Buy a Phillips, but don't come whinging that you have an extra remote on the table; that you're having trouble connecting it to a linked TV; that it really doesn't fit in your lounge room ...

Me, I'm waiting with bated breath for my DVD 2 order to arrive!

Re: Official DVD2 pictures on Mediacenter

355f — Sun, 26 Aug 2007 06:29:33 GMT

Bulgarien:
355f:

well ive not checked yet on the prices here in the UK but there are other examples, the BV4 for example is 4 times the cost of the panasonic panel( which is what the bv4 is.
I have just purchased a panasonic dvd recorder with digital tuner for a retailprice of 275. My undestanding is that the dvd2 will be near to £1000 so thats tthree times the price. the point being made is that the dvd is a low end phillips unit which lacks the integration and digitial tuner in a alum box. This is not the way B&O should be going. The other issue is that very shortly the phillips product will collapse in price wheras the B&O one will increase or stay the same making the pricing issue even more of an issue than the nonsense it is now. So it wont be long before the 5 times the price becomes valid.
The electronics world has moved on and B&O need to make a better effort in these areas and make all the products worthy of the sums asked they can no longer operate in the way they used to- otherwise they will be out of business.

Im absolutely agree in your point.
10 K is very cheep ,- you get pure B&O softvare, a very, very expensive cabinet and proberly some changes in the hardware .
- but that is not the point in this way
If you want to sell B&O DVD2 after some years, you can got near the same prise as you gave!
In others words,- its very cheap to own B&O products.
If you buy the Phillips version you just throw you money out of the window , no none want to have a Phillips model after 2 years,
Buy B&O and enjoy the fantastic design and easy use, and get near all you money back after a great period of joy. Only Bang Olufsen can offer this. and therefore B&O cheap to own, (but you need to get the money first.)

Well times have moved on! and clearly you have not tried to sell any fairly recent B&O itmes ( non audio) over the past year!!

Nearly the price you paid for it??? you must be joking! The fact is on vision items the market has capsized and you will be lucky to get 1/3 of the price back that yhou paid for it. The market is now moving so quickly B&O is being left behind. You might still be lucky on audio ( speakers)

So im afraid the financial strength you refer to just isnt fact. Ask anyone whos bought a bv4/bv5/bv7 BS2 ect! ie all the vsiion products.

My bv4 cost £9.750 the best offer I had for it was £1500. By early BV7 cost £6000 offer £1800. Youn really should buy the dvd2 and see what you get for it in 2 years!!!

Re: Official DVD2 pictures on Mediacenter

Bulgarien — Sun, 26 Aug 2007 05:58:22 GMT

355f:

well ive not checked yet on the prices here in the UK but there are other examples, the BV4 for example is 4 times the cost of the panasonic panel( which is what the bv4 is.
I have just purchased a panasonic dvd recorder with digital tuner for a retailprice of 275. My undestanding is that the dvd2 will be near to £1000 so thats tthree times the price. the point being made is that the dvd is a low end phillips unit which lacks the integration and digitial tuner in a alum box. This is not the way B&O should be going. The other issue is that very shortly the phillips product will collapse in price wheras the B&O one will increase or stay the same making the pricing issue even more of an issue than the nonsense it is now. So it wont be long before the 5 times the price becomes valid.
The electronics world has moved on and B&O need to make a better effort in these areas and make all the products worthy of the sums asked they can no longer operate in the way they used to- otherwise they will be out of business.

Im absolutely agree in your point.

10 K is very cheep ,- you get pure B&O softvare, a very, very expensive cabinet and proberly some changes in the hardware .

- but that is not the point in this way

If you want to sell B&O DVD2 after some years, you can got near the same prise as you gave!

In others words,- its very cheap to own B&O products.

If you buy the Phillips version you just throw you money out of the window , no none want to have a Phillips model after 2 years,

Buy B&O and enjoy the fantastic design and easy use, and get near all you money back after a great period of joy. Only Bang Olufsen can offer this. and therefore B&O cheap to own, (but you need to get the money first.)

Re: Official DVD2 pictures on Mediacenter

PhilLondon — Fri, 24 Aug 2007 04:07:00 GMT

I think as a DVD player it will be great, for those who don't have a BV7 or a BC2, the box looks good, no problem. it is a huge step forward from the DVD1. Some people on the French forum say the picture is fantastic.

The DVD1 was also a rebranded box, in a not so nice box.

But it is well integrated and functions like a Beo device should be.

As a HD recorder... there is no need to wait... the official web site says it... no timed recording... so it is completely useless!!!!

They did that for 2 reasons... not to canibalise the sales of HDR2... and because it costs less in adapting the firmware of the Philips to work nicely with the 2 way AVL.

Re: Official DVD2 pictures on Mediacenter

Daniel Seiler — Fri, 24 Aug 2007 01:15:17 GMT

jazz:
Hold your judgement...

That's what i am doing. But when it's out....we will judge...

Re: Official DVD2 pictures on Mediacenter

Anonymous — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 22:51:05 GMT

i think you should all wait to see the product before you start making claims. Sure it seems to be phillips mech (remember the BeoCenter 2 has a pioneer mech and we've stopped arguing about that yonks ago).

Remember that there is going to be some B&O software involved.

How many of you owners are willing to have another remote in your system? Beo4 and soon Beo5 is the best remote system on the planet. Everything else, including learning remotes are complicted to use and set up. There has to be a premium paid for this convenience or else everyone would be doing it.

The alumnium case the DVD2 is housed in wouldn't be cheap and because B&O don't sell in large numbers then they can't product in huge numbers to keep costs down.

What would you be prepared to pay for a fully developed B&O DVD Recorder?

Also we don't know what kind of picture processing that B&O are doing to the player to improve the picture quality.

Hold your judgement...

jazz

Re: Official DVD2 pictures on Mediacenter

PhilLondon — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:17:23 GMT

DVD2 800 to 900 pounds in the UK...

Re: Official DVD2 pictures on Mediacenter

355f — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:34:16 GMT

well ive not checked yet on the prices here in the UK but there are other examples, the BV4 for example is 4 times the cost of the panasonic panel( which is what the bv4 is.

I have just purchased a panasonic dvd recorder with digital tuner for a retailprice of 275. My undestanding is that the dvd2 will be near to £1000 so thats tthree times the price. the point being made is that the dvd is a low end phillips unit which lacks the integration and digitial tuner in a alum box. This is not the way B&O should be going. The other issue is that very shortly the phillips product will collapse in price wheras the B&O one will increase or stay the same making the pricing issue even more of an issue than the nonsense it is now. So it wont be long before the 5 times the price becomes valid.

The electronics world has moved on and B&O need to make a better effort in these areas and make all the products worthy of the sums asked they can no longer operate in the way they used to- otherwise they will be out of business.

Re: Official DVD2 pictures on Mediacenter

beodim — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:28:04 GMT

I am not saying that it is a good price. I just don't think it is appropriate to make unsubstantiated allegations in public about the price being 5, 8 or 10 times higher than the "original" Philips, like some people have done it in this thread. Even the cheapest Philips DVD recorder with a hard disk would cost you around CHF 500 here, so it is just not true.

Re: Official DVD2 pictures on Mediacenter

Daniel Seiler — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:18:58 GMT

beodim:
The price of DVD2 in Switzerland: CHF 1865.-
The current price of Philips 7310 (which I believe was used as the basis for DVD2) in Switzerland: CHF 830.-
Bingo, I let you do the math regarding how much times it is...
The result I get is in any case far away from "5 or 10 times the price".

Yes, you are right, but it's more than twice the price anyway. And this only for reboxing....? I don't think this is a good price.

Re: Official DVD2 pictures on Mediacenter

beodim — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:11:16 GMT

Bingo:

Ofcourse they did, their first V2000 VCR was a rebadged Philips, but then they did not ask 5 or ten times the price. Now they do, and that is the most respectless thing you can do to a customer.

The price of DVD2 in Switzerland: CHF 1865.-

The current price of Philips 7310 (which I believe was used as the basis for DVD2) in Switzerland: CHF 830.-

Bingo, I let you do the math regarding how much times it is...

The result I get is in any case far away from "5 or 10 times the price".

Re: Official DVD2 pictures on Mediacenter

Bingo — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 05:17:19 GMT

It is much to much !!!!! It is stealing from your customers!!!

Re: Official DVD2 pictures on Mediacenter

Daniel Seiler — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 04:57:18 GMT

I just asked my dealer for the official price of DVD2 in Switzerland, it is CHF 1865.-

So this is really too much for only having a Philips DVDR in a B&O Box

Re: Official DVD2 pictures on Mediacenter

PhilLondon — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 04:36:21 GMT

In many European countries (FR, UK..), cable operator have specific Set top boxes and have now moved away from analog. Terrestrial analog will also be turned off.

In France, it will be forbidden from the 1rst of jan to sell TV without a digital Tuner. I think the BV8 and the DVD2 will be illegal in France!

Beo had a very neat solution where you could control the set top box and even do timed recording. The DVD2 does not implement that...

In the UK where I live (and it is right in the middle of London) I have no terrestrial reception.