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Re: What I really want is Beolab 3s on steroids!

Jandyt — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 13:53:17 GMT

Gary.
Whatever you do, DON'T leave Beoworld due to a difference of opinion.
Just let it waft over you, and have pleasant thoughts about the day you won second prize in our first ever draw.
We all have different attitudes and have different ways of speaking. What would seem a perfectly natural thing to say to one person may be highly offensive to another.
Goodness, you should hear what Puncher calls me!!

Andy T.

Re: What I really want is Beolab 3s on steroids!

355f — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 11:13:26 GMT

Alex:

I don't think anybody should be leaving the forum just due to a difference in opinion.
Everybody's entitled to their own beliefs, and even if others strongly disagree with them (as is the case here), you should stick by your opinion, and not let it affect you in unwanted ways...

If one posts on a forum one has to accept that individuals will interpret the post differently and they wont always like what one has to say and will always defend the product that they have bought. Is this really a reason to leave a forum!!! come on!

Obviously, one is sorry if an individual feels one should leave as a result of this ( obviously with some they have very easlity hurt feelings and surely a professional individual will show he is just that -and brush the negative comments to one side and with that professional knowledge- use it to form a detailed debate!

Re: What I really want is Beolab 3s on steroids!

Alex — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:14:42 GMT

I don't think anybody should be leaving the forum just due to a difference in opinion.

Everybody's entitled to their own beliefs, and even if others strongly disagree with them (as is the case here), you should stick by your opinion, and not let it affect you in unwanted ways...

Re: What I really want is Beolab 3s on steroids!

Dave — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 09:07:08 GMT

Oh no! Please don't leave the forum on that note, i will feel terrible, and it was simply a misunderstanding between posts, not petty ego stuff, that isn't what happens in these forums, Beoworld is an excellent place to exchange information and opinions, and i have learnt SO SO MUCH about Bang & Olufsen since i joined. For your own sake you must stick around. Don't forget the great odds of winning a prize each month!

Re: What I really want is Beolab 3s on steroids!

soundproof — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 08:15:53 GMT

Would really be a damn shame if you leave BeoWorld over this, Synergy.

I found it very refreshing that there would be a member with a musical background as a performer on the forum, and hope you'll reconsider. I think you can bring a lot of important insights to the discussions here!

And as to your original point - yes, the BL3s can do with a little precision assistance at the bottom. I have never owned a BL2 myself and haven't really listened much to one either, but from what I understand they are good for film, but not quick and precise enough for music.

And it would be great to have a sub-woofer shell that matched the casing of the BL3s ...

Re: What I really want is Beolab 3s on steroids!

Synergy — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 08:09:01 GMT

Alex...I never once said the 3s were more natural than the 5s.I said musical.By which I mean the conveyance of emotion and intent,whilst having an ability to involve the listener.In contrast to the 'accurate' camp.

Unless someone else said the 3s are more natural?

Also,I have qualified my various comments at each point.I even said that I am sure the 5s can sound as good as others say,I just haven't heard it.

David,apology accepted.

The original point of my post seems to have been lost.

A shame that many forums spiral into petty ego/pseudo intellectual battlegrounds with the familiar faces often being the worst culprits.

On that note I will depart from Beoworld.

Re: What I really want is Beolab 3s on steroids!

355f — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 07:44:18 GMT

wirralsimon:

David
I think something is getting forgotten here.
It's about enjoying the music.
If the Beolab 5 sounds better to you, and you prefer it to other speakers then it is a better speaker for you. Some people may agree, others may not and that's cool.
If the Belab 5s aren't to synergys tastes, then he is right too. There is no law that says he must like them. He has heard more high-end speakers than I ever will and I respect his opinion and yours.
It is about how each of us hear music as individuals and what our tastes are. We are here to offer each other advice but I do think in your enthusiasm to get your point across to Synergy you have overstepped the mark a bit and implyng that his hearing has must have gone through old age is just plain rude.
Perhaps an apology would be in order?
Simon

Well im not sure an apology is in order actually!!

Fact is if one starts a post that indicates that the BL5 have never impressed and the BL9- well nothing of note there!!! what does the poster think the response will be from individuals that have bought these items!!

He might well be right, although one wonders why the bl3 have not recieved the all round good acclaim from so many ( outside of B&O)that the BL9 have received

In any event individuals will defend their purchases if the poster is correct or not and, as i presume he is a slighly older individual should have realised what human nature is by now!! and very often its acse of what one has is always the best! and the reference to age and hearing deficiency was not made to lower the standing of the poster- it is of course a fact that hearing goes downhill after 25!

Re: What I really want is Beolab 3s on steroids!

Dave — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 06:34:22 GMT

Synergy:
David,you have overstepped the mark with your assertion towards me.Sure it's a forum,but to insinuate that my hearing is fccked and hence my opinions lack validity is downright OFFENSIVE.Shame on you.
They are my opinions based on what I have heard in various environments over the last couple of years.My aural and design crieria may differ from yours but don't get offensive because we have had different experiences or I don't toe the B&O hierarchical line.
My ears are fine DUDE.

Oh my god shame shame shame i AM so ashamed i did not realise that my post would offend, and of couse i apologise! I'm very sorry and i did not mean to direct any negative comment to you! [:'(] I need a white flag smiley.

I got caught up in a moment of shock, i have never heard, what i consider, one of the worlds greatest speakers and achievements being poo pooed in such a way. But again i'm sorry, Synergy. Alex is quite right in highlighting the difference of what people perceive as being good sound.

Re: What I really want is Beolab 3s on steroids!

Alex — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 05:28:36 GMT

Of course there is personal preference, but saying BeoLab 3s are more natural than BeoLab 5s is like saying a Lotus can go as fast as a Bugatti. BeoLab 3s have a much lumpier response than the BeoLab 5s, response graphs would be absolute proof of this. The BeoLab 5s are MUCH more faithful than the 3s, although that doesn't necessarily make them better speakers from a listener's point of view...

Re: What I really want is Beolab 3s on steroids!

wirralsimon — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 04:33:34 GMT

David

I think something is getting forgotten here.

It's about enjoying the music.

If the Beolab 5 sounds better to you, and you prefer it to other speakers then it is a better speaker for you. Some people may agree, others may not and that's cool.

If the Belab 5s aren't to synergys tastes, then he is right too. There is no law that says he must like them. He has heard more high-end speakers than I ever will and I respect his opinion and yours.

It is about how each of us hear music as individuals and what our tastes are. We are here to offer each other advice but I do think in your enthusiasm to get your point across to Synergy you have overstepped the mark a bit and implyng that his hearing has must have gone through old age is just plain rude.

Perhaps an apology would be in order?

Simon

Re: What I really want is Beolab 3s on steroids!

Synergy — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 03:16:11 GMT

David,you have overstepped the mark with your assertion towards me.Sure it's a forum,but to insinuate that my hearing is fccked and hence my opinions lack validity is downright OFFENSIVE.Shame on you.

They are my opinions based on what I have heard in various environments over the last couple of years.My aural and design crieria may differ from yours but don't get offensive because we have had different experiences or I don't toe the B&O hierarchical line.

My ears are fine DUDE.

Re: What I really want is Beolab 3s on steroids!

Dave — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 02:29:28 GMT

Ah bad wording woops! It's got to be the lens that turns the sound into something so very real.

I was only thinking last night, that so long as i only listen to B&O my hearing should be preserved, because when i was watching the TV i noticed that i had the volume quite low, but could hear every word and nuance. Brilliant

Re: What I really want is Beolab 3s on steroids!

soundproof — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 02:08:10 GMT

David:
I did not put the BL3's at the bottom! They are as a whole not as good as BL9's, hence they are hlaf the price. Sorry to be so blunt, but this is forum. I don't deliberately tread on peoples toes!

Nah, it's OK. They were some really broad assertions, though. Quoting you: The BL3's are incredible. The BL9's are twice as good.

I think we're looking at a "starting to become complete" range of acoustic speakers, from a lower powered to a high powered model. Each with their pro's & con's -- but all doing the job nicely when used right. I think synergy likes the BL3s because he's a musician. Just as the musician who used the BL9s for background was amazed at how well he played along with that background.

The acoustic lenses are great. Also because you can actually play at lower volumes than you otherwise would, and still catch the details -- which means I won't destroy my hearing too soon. I hope!

Re: What I really want is Beolab 3s on steroids!

Dave — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 01:18:42 GMT

I did not put the BL3's at the bottom! They are as a whole not as good as BL9's, hence they are hlaf the price. Sorry to be so blunt, but this is forum. I don't deliberately tread on peoples toes!

Re: What I really want is Beolab 3s on steroids!

soundproof — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 00:59:46 GMT

David:
Synergy:
Of course,the 3s are far from perfect and not the last word in transparency,but I do like their coherance,especially at lower volumes.
We also have the 8000s but I prefer the solidity and more natural top end of the 3s.Mine don't sound bright at all,partly because the room isn't acoustically reflective/live.
The 9s really were pretty unlistenable here.
A BL2/3 hybrid could be fantastic.Better drive units,cute looks,relatively compact,more transparent.
Like a mini BL5,sound wise,but with SOUL ....man.

Synergy, your posts are perplexing me as to how you could be listening to the BL9's and BL5's and perceiving the sounds the way that you've described here. The BL3's are incredible. The BL9's are twice as good. The BL5's are indescribable.... to 99% percent of the people that heave heard, and commented on them. The BL5's have been mistaken many times for live performances and the sound of a real band.

It is an unfortunate fact of life that our hearing does deteriorate as we get older, and it is something that i dread happening to me.

First synergy's musical credentials are questioned, and then aspersions are cast on his hearing. You're on a roll, David!

You're making some quite broad generalizations here, David. I have listened to the BL9s in what B&O considers the perfect setting. I own the BL3s and BL5s.

Saying that the BL3 is the speaker that belongs at the bottom of the ranking is wrong, in my opinion. In fact, for pure fidelity and depth of sound it is quite astonishingly good - AS LONG AS you don't ask it to work at top output.

The BL5s are superb speakers, world class. They do have the ICEpower amp's on the mid- and top drivers, and there's discussion in hifi circles as to whether ICE is ideal for that.

The BL9 seems to be seeking to eliminate this by using hybrid amp's on the mid and top, and it's been quite successful. But these are three speakers that would, ideally, be used differently. Matched to rooms and listening situations, and for which they are ideally suited when used right. You can put BL5s in too small rooms where they'll sound forced, and you'll look silly with BL9s as your PC speakers or near-field monitors, for instance. You get my point.

If you listen closely to the BL5s, when they are playing a recording with high-frequency sounds (for instance woodwinds/brass going at it) -- then tell me what you hear, in detail, and I'll tell you how good YOUR hearing is.