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Re: Will there be a BV 10-55 as a follow up for the discontinued BV 9?

Chris — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 02:42:28 GMT

Oops sorry about that. There is a AV Forums 2012 video which I had recently seen so automatically thought this was it. Very good videos nonetheless.

Cannot B&O just re-panel these things with new Neo Plasma panels? Seems such a waste of a stand, speakers and chassis? I know it's a 5.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bang-Olufsen-Beovision-5-/250980784422?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_Video_Televisions&hash=item3a6f9ed926#ht_242wt_118

Re: Will there be a BV 10-55 as a follow up for the discontinued BV 9?

elephant — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 02:37:20 GMT

Chris:

A much more in depth for more detail

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9qjfrQLvdM

The YouTube is CES 2011 ???

"CES 2011 round-up from the AVForums team."

Uploaded by AVForumsTV on Jan 11, 2011

Steve Withers and Phil Hinton from http:///www.avforums.com give their thoughts at the close of CES 2011 in Las Vegas.

Re: Will there be a BV 10-55 as a follow up for the discontinued BV 9?

Puncher — Wed, 25 Jan 2012 17:56:51 GMT

It would be horrible to think that B&O's big release of "Smart TV" was after everyone else had moved on to OLED!

Re: Will there be a BV 10-55 as a follow up for the discontinued BV 9?

moxxey — Wed, 25 Jan 2012 17:24:31 GMT

rednik:

Did you watch the report quoted? 2 manufacturers are clearly stating OLED sets available 2012 in sizes upto 55"

Remember, I work in tech press. We write the reports. Although I didn't go, a lot of my colleagues were at CES. These reports (above) are from 13 Jan and are just the same things we've covered. As an example: http://www.techradar.com/news/television/oled-tv-what-you-need-to-know-1056228 with the key quote "don't be hugely surprised if both LG and Samsung's debut bigscreen OLED TVs are forever delayed"

There's a LOT of speculation from journalists and playing with words from PR. Plus PR like to further generate interest, very early, to keep their brands in the press.

TV manufacturers are falling over themselves to be the first to launch the "next big thing". HD took off, but 3D wasn't quite so successful. Now we're getting media centre TVs and next OLED. They're keen to get OLED out sooner rather than later as they see this as technology which will encourage HD TV owners to upgrade.....and TV manufacturers want us to buy new TVs.

Remember this is a B&O forum and our discussion should be primarily about how this will affect B&O. It won't, for ages. There's no way B&O will be adopting OLED for ages - I bet a 55" OLED screen will cost a fortune, as a 15" OLED TV is £1500: http://www.cheapelectricals.co.uk/acatalog/LG_15EL9500_15__OLED_TV_Ultra_Slim_HD_Ready_720p_100Hz_1_x_HDMI_-_Black.html

Re: Will there be a BV 10-55 as a follow up for the discontinued BV 9?

rednik — Wed, 25 Jan 2012 14:46:57 GMT

moxxey:

Chris:

OLED years off, I think not. Retailing with Samsung and LG middle to end of the year.

That's still only speculation. Plus there will be limited sizes (32")

I'm no fan of being an early adopter, and personally won't touch OLED until it's had time to become established, but, what's with statements like the above? Did you watch the report quoted? 2 manufacturers are clearly stating OLED sets available 2012 in sizes upto 55"

Re: Will there be a BV 10-55 as a follow up for the discontinued BV 9?

moxxey — Wed, 25 Jan 2012 12:29:15 GMT

elephant:

whatever they (Apple) do, just having OLED would not be enough of a differentiator or game changer ...

Not sure it matters, like my post on Facebook in the "outsourcing" thread, people will buy it regardless. It surely will be well designed, probably will integrate Apple TV circuitry and, as everyone likes to be associated with cool brands, people will ditch Sony, Samsung etc to be the first to get a (proper) Apple TV.

Everything Apple is releasing is turning to gold and people love to be seen to be associated with success.

Re: Will there be a BV 10-55 as a follow up for the discontinued BV 9?

Chris — Wed, 25 Jan 2012 12:23:06 GMT

I couldn't find the full show but here's the best of what i could find..

http://news.sky.com/home/video/technology/video/16148463

A much more in depth for more detail

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9qjfrQLvdM

Re: Will there be a BV 10-55 as a follow up for the discontinued BV 9?

elephant — Wed, 25 Jan 2012 11:56:15 GMT

Chris:
The future though no doubt, with both google and apple both launching very soon.

interesting that Apple's 1.4 million ATVs sold in the fourth quarter of last year still gets classified as a "hobby" because at US$99 they are barely a rounding error in their results ... it is interesting to play with the numbers to see what would make it not a hobby ... higher volumes ? more pull through ? or being a "real" TV ?

whatever they (Apple) do, just having OLED would not be enough of a differentiator or game changer ... not even sure voice based command and control will do it either ... it has to be iApps exploitation but as the next poster says the quality of your source has to be up to scratch, can you imagine a standard iApp being displayed in 1080P ++ resolution ?

Re: Will there be a BV 10-55 as a follow up for the discontinued BV 9?

moxxey — Wed, 25 Jan 2012 11:30:28 GMT

Chris:

OLED years off, I think not. Retailing with Samsung and LG middle to end of the year.

That's still only speculation. Plus there will be limited sizes (32") and there's no way we'd see OLED from B&O for ages after. You know how much testing and caution they use when choosing new technology. Even if Samsung and LG release OLED panels this year, B&O will be at least (at least) 18 months later.

And, as I said above, OLED won't do anything for you if you don't have the right source material. It will show SD content in all its terribly glory if that's all you have connected to your TV. You need HD or higher to get the most from OLED. An OLED won't somehow turn a poor signal/SD in to a glorious picture. It won't smooth out a bad incoming image!

Re: Will there be a BV 10-55 as a follow up for the discontinued BV 9?

Chris — Wed, 25 Jan 2012 10:15:15 GMT

Saw it this morning on anytime. Right at the bottom of the list I think.

OLED years off, I think not. Retailing with Samsung and LG middle to end of the year. A real game changer. Smart tv,s were quite interesting but not really for me. The future though no doubt, with both google and apple both launching very soon.

Re: Will there be a BV 10-55 as a follow up for the discontinued BV 9?

moxxey — Wed, 25 Jan 2012 07:30:14 GMT

Chris:

If anyone has access to Sky Anytime, i sudgest you watch the CES Sky News report.

I have put my 7-40 Mk3 improvement plan on indefinite hold. Relevant to 55 inch.

Can you give us more detail? A synopsis of the report and/or a link? It will be online somewhere.

Re: Will there be a BV 10-55 as a follow up for the discontinued BV 9?

Chris — Wed, 25 Jan 2012 04:33:05 GMT

If anyone has access to Sky Anytime, i sudgest you watch the CES Sky News report.

I have put my 7-40 Mk3 improvement plan on indefinite hold. Relevant to 55 inch.

Re: Will there be a BV 10-55 as a follow up for the discontinued BV 9?

Roger — Wed, 25 Jan 2012 03:03:06 GMT

Back to the topic of the first post:

No, I do not think that a 10-55 will ever reach the market - simply because it has been evaluated and dropped by B&O. As an alternative to BV9, I do think that the BV7-55 fit the job description - when I replaced my BV9 with the 7-55 mk1 I got a sharper picture with improved blacks, but the "moving picture" was not as good as on the plasma. Now, having replaced the screen with the mk2, I must admit that the BV9 is a bit outdated compared to the superior picture quality of the current 7-55. When it comes to size, the 9-deg angle of the BV9 means that the floor stand is exactly as far from the wall for both sets - but I do like the fact that the 7-55 with the low floor stand sits lower, allowing you to have pictures on the wall behind it. So in my setup, the 7-55 is less dominating with the low floor stand and the 7-6 speaker.

I do think that another important trend, along with OLED etc, is the XXL screen sizes. In the not too distant future a 70-80" TV will be considered normal. Remember the discussion back when the BV5-42 was launched? This was as big as a TV for a European living room could get.

Roger

Re: Will there be a BV 10-55 as a follow up for the discontinued BV 9?

moxxey — Tue, 24 Jan 2012 18:52:36 GMT

Tod Daniel:

I had a go with the Sony OLED screen (I think it was a 15inch model) Christmas 2010 in Selfridges, London. All I can say is stunning in terms of picture quality and the thinness like a piece of A4 paper was bizarre but amazing at the same time.

Everything looks stunning on a 15" screen, even SD :)

But, OLED screens are a long way from production level and, we all know B&O's lead time, even longer in a B&O TV. I can't imagine we'd see anything for a couple of years at the earliest. And even then they will be very expensive. I dread to think the price of a B&O OLED 55" TV!

As I've said before though, much of this picture quality comes from the source. You get an average SD signal and you'll get a poor picture on a 55" LCD. OLED won't improve the signal! LED/OLED simply show the picture "as is", flaws and all. Yes, you get better colour definition on, say, the BV7-55, perhaps better blacks, but the overall picture is defined by the source material.

Re: Will there be a BV 10-55 as a follow up for the discontinued BV 9?

Chris — Tue, 24 Jan 2012 10:17:40 GMT

I'm coming to the same conclusion about technology and speakers Tim. Should make the Beolab 5's a bargain maybe. This year a Beolit 12 in Blue, and maybe a Beocentre 23 with DAB for the bedroom