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Re: Speakers will have RJ45 sockets instead of DIN from January

Vienna — Sun, 04 Dec 2011 07:19:13 GMT

moxxey:

But one side will still need a DIN as TVs etc will still ship with the older powerlink sockets?
ie. it's not going to be as easy as just grabbing an RJ45 and connecting your B&O TV on one end
to your speakers on another?

DIN 8pin to RJ 45 PowerLink Adapter Cables are available from B&O in different leghth -
easy to customise these cables by cutting and crimping a RJ45.

The above also applies to ML <> RJ45 MasterLink Adapter Cables!

moxxey:

Howevr, RJ45 cables are much thicker than powerlink, which will make them more tricky to hide.

Yes, compared to the discontinued fully mounted MK 2 types and
the thin MK 3 PL types (which should only be used for short distances).

No, if compared to the strongly recommended "5.5 mm fully mounted double screened PL-cable"
- the new 5mm version is slightly thinner.

The layout of a (larger) BeoLink installation designed today will be completely different to an
installtion planned 3 or 5 years ago ...

Re: Speakers will have RJ45 sockets instead of DIN from January

moxxey — Sun, 04 Dec 2011 03:29:33 GMT

tournedos:

Installers (and anyone else) will also save about 95% of their time by using crimp tools to make custom length speaker cables instead of struggling with a DIN and a soldering iron.

But one side will still need a DIN as TVs etc will still ship with the older powerlink sockets? ie. it's not going to be as easy as just grabbing an RJ45 and connecting your B&O TV on one end to your speakers on another? I guess connecting two speakers will be a lot easier. Howevr, RJ45 cables are much thicker than powerlink, which will make them more tricky to hide.

I wonder if you can buy RJ45 face plate for the wall, connect a cable from your TV and then your speakers to another RJ45 face plate elsewhere in the room?

Re: Speakers will have RJ45 sockets instead of DIN from January

elephant — Sun, 04 Dec 2011 00:20:08 GMT

Keith Saunders:

from January all speakers listed below ... will be fitted with RJ45 sockets

oh cool ... internet music at last

Re: Speakers will have RJ45 sockets instead of DIN from January

stotty1111 — Fri, 02 Dec 2011 11:56:22 GMT

Keith Saunders"]RJ45 is used for a lot of other applications these days. But, I sure we will not have to wait long before someone plugs their local area network cable into one thinking its a network connection

Keith, sadly this has all ready happened ! I was asked to help a student (from a very flash university) as she could not plug her phone in. She could not understand why her rj11 would not go into a 3pin power (240v) socket... rj45's now thats even more confusing.

That in Eire then? If so explains it!!(bad English humour sorry!)

Re: Speakers will have RJ45 sockets instead of DIN from January

beojeff — Fri, 02 Dec 2011 08:03:50 GMT

I'm wondering if the new connection might make running the cable through speaker stands easier. Am I the only person who has trashed powerlink cables trying to run them through the BeoLab 4000 floor stand?

Re: Speakers will have RJ45 sockets instead of DIN from January

Style — Fri, 02 Dec 2011 06:05:30 GMT

folkdeejay:

I don't agree that it is confusing.

There have always been a few different connectors around the Hi-Fi world - not to mention just around the house generally - - 3 pin mains, 2 pin mains, Fig 8 mains, phono, din, 4mm ( banana) speaker, bare wire speaker, 2 pin din speaker, odd din variants ( B&O, Naim, Quad).

Plus a few others.

Trying to plug a phone charger into a mains socket (or whatever your student mate did) is just not being careful.

There are various mini-usb connections around - some carry voltage to charge phones, some don't. Even some connectors that look the same can be fully / partially wired ( scart, DVI, din ) leading to errors.

This has always been the case, in some form or other.

Anyone who wrongly plugs a power cable into a signal socket, or vice versa, is simply rushing without reading the labels/manuals first.

Please note, I am not being unsympathetic - I have done things like this myself - but the fact that something could be done wrong by a user is no reason for a manufacturer to not use a style of plug/socket - as long as they label it correctly.

If you put the wrong fuel in your car, is that the makers fault ? No, its yours.

I don't agree at all. Being foolproof is an important aspect of good design.

Re: Speakers will have RJ45 sockets instead of DIN from January

folkdeejay — Fri, 02 Dec 2011 05:49:17 GMT

I don't agree that it is confusing.

There have always been a few different connectors around the Hi-Fi world - not to mention just around the house generally - - 3 pin mains, 2 pin mains, Fig 8 mains, phono, din, 4mm ( banana) speaker, bare wire speaker, 2 pin din speaker, odd din variants ( B&O, Naim, Quad).

Plus a few others.

Trying to plug a phone charger into a mains socket (or whatever your student mate did) is just not being careful.

There are various mini-usb connections around - some carry voltage to charge phones, some don't. Even some connectors that look the same can be fully / partially wired ( scart, DVI, din ) leading to errors.

This has always been the case, in some form or other.

Anyone who wrongly plugs a power cable into a signal socket, or vice versa, is simply rushing without reading the labels/manuals first.

Please note, I am not being unsympathetic - I have done things like this myself - but the fact that something could be done wrong by a user is no reason for a manufacturer to not use a style of plug/socket - as long as they label it correctly.

If you put the wrong fuel in your car, is that the makers fault ? No, its yours.

Re: Speakers will have RJ45 sockets instead of DIN from January

valve1 — Fri, 02 Dec 2011 02:26:34 GMT

Keith Saunders:
RJ45 is used for a lot of other applications these days. But, I sure we will not have to wait long before someone plugs their local area network cable into one thinking its a network connection.

Re: Speakers will have RJ45 sockets instead of DIN from January

Keith Saunders — Thu, 01 Dec 2011 16:29:40 GMT

You can also send Masterlink over Cat 7, but in this thread we are ONLY talking about Powerlink over CAT 7

Re: Speakers will have RJ45 sockets instead of DIN from January

EdouardG — Thu, 01 Dec 2011 15:06:04 GMT

Hi folks,

With such cables, will it still be needed to put some masterlink cables between both the master and the "slave"?

Here is what I've seen on the web:

http://www.danishlink.com/Powerlink-+-RJ45-c-2_17.html

Re: Speakers will have RJ45 sockets instead of DIN from January

Vienna — Thu, 01 Dec 2011 13:00:50 GMT

tournedos:

Evan:
I'm sure I'll get a myriad of posts about this, but I have to ask - what's the point?

I don't know what the point is from B&O's point of view, but I see it immensely easier and cheaper for everyone if you can use all the existing RJ45 installation hardware and even house wiring instead of hunting for (expensive, small series) Powerlink wall plates etc.

Installers (and anyone else) will also save about 95% of their time by using crimp tools to make custom length speaker cables instead of struggling with a DIN and a soldering iron.

Only true, if the cables of your installation are minimum

S/FTP type - SHIELDED/FOILED TWISTED PAIR cables

which can be used as a replacement for ML and PL cables.

It is NOT an ISSUE OF BANDWIDTH why you need CAT 7 for an analogue signal
- IT'S THE SUFFICIENT SHIELDING / SCREENING !

CAT 7 cables will always fulfill this SHIELDING requirements for ANALOGUE USE
CAT 6 cables in many cases,
CAT 5/e cables won't be sufficient in most cases.

Re: Speakers will have RJ45 sockets instead of DIN from January

Vienna — Thu, 01 Dec 2011 12:43:12 GMT

RickieH:

What are the implications of this for attaching to non B&O equipment
(Airport Express or optical out from an Apple TV for example)?

You'll need a different adapter cable
- but PowerLink remains an analogue signal
- just the plug will be changed.

Optical is a digital signal - no way.

In Network Link (CAT 7) installations a CAT 6 patch cable RJ45<>RJ45
between wall outlet / PL distribution module and the speaker
will replace all versions of PowerLink cables.

This will make it a lot easyer to customize cables, soldering 8 pins
takes a lot more time than crimping a RJ45 plug.

Re: Speakers will have RJ45 sockets instead of DIN from January

tournedos — Thu, 01 Dec 2011 12:30:36 GMT

Evan:
I'm sure I'll get a myriad of posts about this, but I have to ask - what's the point?

I don't know what the point is from B&O's point of view, but I see it immensely easier and cheaper for everyone if you can use all the existing RJ45 installation hardware and even house wiring instead of hunting for (expensive, small series) Powerlink wall plates etc.

Installers (and anyone else) will also save about 95% of their time by using crimp tools to make custom length speaker cables instead of struggling with a DIN and a soldering iron.

Re: Speakers will have RJ45 sockets instead of DIN from January

Evan — Thu, 01 Dec 2011 12:19:51 GMT

I'm sure I'll get a myriad of posts about this, but I have to ask - what's the point?

If the connection is exactly the same then why bother? To save space? Cost? Is B&O trying to corner the shielded ethernet cable market?

I can't imagine trying to terminate a new converter cable..

Re: Speakers will have RJ45 sockets instead of DIN from January

Keith Saunders — Thu, 01 Dec 2011 11:52:09 GMT

RickieH:
What are the implications

RJ45 is used for a lot of other applications these days. But, I sure we will not have to wait long before someone plugs their local area network cable into one thinking its a network connection.