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Re: THIS is a professional install..

Dillen — Thu, 04 Aug 2011 14:59:33 GMT

Martin

Re: THIS is a professional install..

folkdeejay — Thu, 04 Aug 2011 14:19:55 GMT

Martin,

That was my (poor) attempt at a speaker joke........ baffled....

Re: THIS is a professional install..

Dillen — Thu, 04 Aug 2011 11:54:16 GMT

Well, they emptied the trash can AND made money. Not bad
- if you couldn't care less about happy customers, that is.
Unfortunately, I've seen lots of these cases.
It seems money is all that matters nowadays.

Martin

Re: THIS is a professional install..

folkdeejay — Thu, 04 Aug 2011 11:19:27 GMT

I'm baffled.

Re: THIS is a professional install..

Step1 — Thu, 04 Aug 2011 10:45:23 GMT

I wonder why they went to so much effort Martin

Dillen:

Talking about being proud of doing a good job;
I had a pair of Beovox Redline RL45 in for repairs recently, the owner
was not satisfied with the way they sounded after getting them back from another repairer.
I opened them and found this solution to a rattling ABR plate :

A brief look at the squeezed yellow/black carton reveals it to be from a High-voltage
flyback transformer for a TV set, suggesting that the "repair" to these speakers
was done by someone who do other repairs too.
Also high-voltage ones.
One wonders how much the owner was charged for this.

Martin

Re: THIS is a professional install..

SWISS_2 — Thu, 04 Aug 2011 10:36:58 GMT

Thank you LEE for the clarification.

Re: THIS is a professional install..

Dillen — Thu, 04 Aug 2011 10:36:50 GMT

Talking about being proud of doing a good job;
I had a pair of Beovox Redline RL45 in for repairs recently, the owner
was not satisfied with the way they sounded after getting them back from another repairer.
I opened them and found this solution to a rattling ABR plate :

A brief look at the squeezed yellow/black carton reveals it to be from a High-voltage
flyback transformer for a TV set, suggesting that the "repair" to these speakers
was done by someone who do other repairs too.
Also high-voltage ones.
The other speaker looked exactly the same.
One wonders how much the owner was charged for this.

Martin

Re: THIS is a professional install..

Søren Mexico — Thu, 04 Aug 2011 09:32:55 GMT

9 LEE:

Cable channel was cut into plaster over brick using a tool, cables run and glued, then skimmed over with plaster.

If people think this is a neat install - and using an old car CV boot to hide the mess is perfectly acceptable for a professional install by a B&O approved installer, then i confess to being way too fussy..

Sorry.

You are right Lee this is a job done from people that does not give a sh1t, 3 years ago I started renovating an old house here in Mexico, the way it works here is, if you can hide it you can do anything. After checking on the work of several plummers. electricians and masons I found out that, at the moment I was not present, they did works just like the one you are showing us here, the result was that I chose to do all the plumbing and electrical works myself, if I had to stay around controlling, I could even do it myself, and better.

Profesionalism (is that a word) is a vanishing art, the proudness in doing a good job is something you will have to learn from your teachers and this is offen forgotten in todays competetive market where money rules.

Re: THIS is a professional install..

folkdeejay — Thu, 04 Aug 2011 09:30:26 GMT

9 LEE:

Cable channel was cut into plaster over brick using a tool, cables run and glued, then skimmed over with plaster.

If people think this is a neat install - and using an old car CV boot to hide the mess is perfectly acceptable for a professional install by a B&O approved installer, then i confess to being way too fussy..

Sorry.

Lee,

I agree this CV thingy is wrong - not a suitable item for the job.

If that was done by my old installer, I owuld have expected a much neater cable exit hole, ideally covered with a neat cable exit plate ( possible to do with or without a backbox) and with either cable sock or bl8000 rubber hose used to house the cables.

Re: THIS is a professional install..

9 LEE — Thu, 04 Aug 2011 06:59:47 GMT

Cable channel was cut into plaster over brick using a tool, cables run and glued, then skimmed over with plaster.

If people think this is a neat install - and using an old car CV boot to hide the mess is perfectly acceptable for a professional install by a B&O approved installer, then i confess to being way too fussy..

Sorry.

Re: THIS is a professional install..

joeyboygolf — Thu, 04 Aug 2011 06:09:53 GMT

If that is chased into an existing wall, with trunking over, replastered and decorated to match existing then £300 is cheap!

Re: THIS is a professional install..

rednik — Thu, 04 Aug 2011 04:29:23 GMT

folkdeejay:

Just to stress, I am NOT being an apologist for the work or the price - just clarifying a problematic construction method in the UK that surprised my fellow delegates from all across the "BeoWorld", and that some overseas posters here may not be aware of.

Agreed.

For all we know with the information provided this could have been a retro fit into an existing wall. If that's the case then the installer possibly had to turn up and chisel the existing wall, then fit the trunking and cable. Chances are they then went off site and allowed a plsterer to do his thing, then return a couple of days later to fit the TV and terminate the cables.

I am not defending the work, but to be fair I guess it looked OK once all fitted.

Re: THIS is a professional install..

folkdeejay — Thu, 04 Aug 2011 02:21:18 GMT

SWISS_2:
Masonry wall construction, especially thicker plastered, lath-plastered CBC, or solid block do not share these characteristics with cabling. The same also applies to soilid concrete or tunnel-form walls, reinforced or not. In that situation, the wires would continue through any cored or drilled hole in a horizontal position.

Well, in the picture, I am fairly sure I can see white plastic trunking/capping below the cables, and hard plaster above the cables. That system is typically used on a brick/block wall before it is plastered. The cables are run vertically up the wall, and exit at the top of the plastic trunking in a sharp, almost 90% bend. The capping is than nailed in place to hold the cables in situ, and the wall is plastered.

In this system, cables are "captive" in the wall, with no option to pull through or push back, and they DO NOT go horizontially back through the wall - the picture shows the top edge of the plastic trunking with the cables heading vertically down the wall.

I apreciate your experience and what you have seen "in the field", however, in the UK this type of wall is commonplace, and in part leads to cable exit solutions that, once a product is removed, look a little untidy.

Just to stress, I am NOT being an apologist for the work or the price - just clarifying a problematic construction method in the UK that surprised my fellow delegates from all across the "BeoWorld", and that some overseas posters here may not be aware of.

Re: THIS is a professional install..

SWISS_2 — Wed, 03 Aug 2011 22:37:26 GMT

So, not to excuse the work done for the price paid - but when swiss2 writes "wallboard", it suggests a void behind which cables can be dropped, and in which a backbox/fascia can be mounted...not so on that picture. "

I think Lee can perhaps describe the wall composition in the photo.

To this member, the connecting cable wires appear to enter the wall cavity and immediately drop down and away, very typical of thin wallboard, gypsumboard, Densglas,and other composite wallboard products. I have written over 100 reports on wall cavity damage, water damage, and engineered replacement materials that have used or utilised wallboard products.

Masonry wall construction, especially thicker plastered, lath-plastered CBC, or solid block do not share these characteristics with cabling. The same also applies to soilid concrete or tunnel-form walls, reinforced or not. In that situation, the wires would continue through any cored or drilled hole in a horizontal position.

Having designed solutions for NASA construction and engineering for 35 +years, I have had to pull more than few mileage lays of cabling, while concerning myself with maintaining regulated standards of IAQ/EAQ (Internal cavity Air Quality and air balance) in existing permanent facilities. Everything has been pulled from RF to fibreoptic, and the occasional home cabling work involving B&O M-L in Europe, North America, and Brasil.

I was invited to accompany a B&O installation team by a former B&O owner (Paris) when the M-L cable first appeared to support active systems and N.Radio/N.Music. The work was done calmly, not rushed, and very professionally.

That said, I think we can both agree that the work in Lee's photo is poor and unprofessional.

Re: THIS is a professional install..

Zwets — Wed, 03 Aug 2011 06:15:42 GMT

When I bought my Beeovision 8-40 (wall mount) last year I asked for different quotes from several dealer. The installation costs varied from 0 till 600 eur. The dealer I chose installed it for free including all connections to Blu-ray player, Apple TV, masterlink, Wii and updated the PUC. It was done very professionally. In the old days my B&O was always installed for free, it seems that only recently that Dutch dealer have started charging and also (a bit off topic) giving (very) low trade in prices.