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If you have any questions about anything Bang &amp;amp; Olufsen related - please ask. If you have anything to say - please tell!</description><dc:language>en</dc:language><generator>CommunityServer 2008 SP2 (Build: 31104.93)</generator><item><title>Re: Penta Midrange Drivers - Unrealistic recent price change by B&amp;O to $400 per driver?</title><link>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/thread/330884.aspx</link><pubDate>Sun, 10 Jul 2011 00:49:40 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">41a2a90c-3a1e-4bd3-b144-3883695a7f38:330884</guid><dc:creator>folkdeejay</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/thread/330884.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=13&amp;PostID=330884</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/Themes/beotheme1/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt; &lt;strong&gt;Vienna:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/Themes/beotheme1/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt; &lt;strong&gt;Michael_Sean:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Can any of you confirm that this price and exchange policy has also been implemented in your respective European countries?&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;...&amp;nbsp;to some extent -&amp;nbsp;YES&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The reason is:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;B&amp;amp;O is no longer able to produce new drivers,&amp;nbsp;they are running out of stock,&amp;nbsp;they need the old magnet &lt;br /&gt;and chassis to re-use these parts for reconing (and to be able to deliver spare-drivers in future).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;To enforce the returning of&amp;nbsp;old parts the price has been increased to a ludicrous level&amp;nbsp;if no old parts&amp;nbsp;are returned!&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As far as I know - if you return the drivers&amp;nbsp;the retail price per&amp;nbsp;refubished mid-driver will be around EUR 60.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;I have known other Hi F companies operate similar schemes for drive units and also&amp;nbsp; phono cartridges.&amp;nbsp; It &lt;i&gt;kind of &lt;/i&gt;makes sense, in that it is a charge that will encourage recycling of the old drivers, and so ensure ongoing supply to the market.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It may seem unfair at first glance, but in effect this could/should ensure longer term future supplies for Penta owners, at no additional cost once the invoice/credit scheme is complete.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Fair enough I guess.....with the one drawback that anyone who chooses not to send the broken (and so useless ) drivers back has a price to pay for the (ltd edtn ! ) replacements.&amp;nbsp; Only likely to be a problem if you want to refurb &amp;amp; sell on the old drivers.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Penta Midrange Drivers - Unrealistic recent price change by B&amp;O to $400 per driver?</title><link>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/thread/330861.aspx</link><pubDate>Sat, 09 Jul 2011 15:55:11 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">41a2a90c-3a1e-4bd3-b144-3883695a7f38:330861</guid><dc:creator>joeyboygolf</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/thread/330861.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=13&amp;PostID=330861</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/Themes/beotheme1/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt; &lt;strong&gt;S&amp;oslash;ren Mexico:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/Themes/beotheme1/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt; &lt;strong&gt;Vienna:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/Themes/beotheme1/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt; &lt;strong&gt;Michael_Sean:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Can any of you confirm that this price and exchange policy has also been implemented in your respective European countries?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;...&amp;nbsp;to some extent -&amp;nbsp;YES&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The reason is:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;B&amp;amp;O is no longer able to produce new drivers,&amp;nbsp;they are running out of stock,&amp;nbsp;they need the old magnet &lt;br /&gt;and chassis to re-use these parts for reconing (and to be able to deliver spare-drivers in future).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;To enforce the returning of&amp;nbsp;old parts the price has been increased to a ludicrous level&amp;nbsp;if no old parts&amp;nbsp;are returned!&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As far as I know - if you return the drivers&amp;nbsp;the retail price per&amp;nbsp;refubished mid-driver will be around EUR 60.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Maybe you can use &lt;a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/8-Bang-Olufsen-B-O-Penta-Speakers-Woofers-Drivers-NR-/300575055939?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&amp;amp;hash=item45fbab6043"&gt;these&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;We are discussing midrange drivers. The advert is for woofers!!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Penta Midrange Drivers - Unrealistic recent price change by B&amp;O to $400 per driver?</title><link>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/thread/330858.aspx</link><pubDate>Sat, 09 Jul 2011 15:26:12 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">41a2a90c-3a1e-4bd3-b144-3883695a7f38:330858</guid><dc:creator>Søren Mexico</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/thread/330858.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=13&amp;PostID=330858</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/Themes/beotheme1/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt; &lt;strong&gt;Vienna:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/Themes/beotheme1/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt; &lt;strong&gt;Michael_Sean:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Can any of you confirm that this price and exchange policy has also been implemented in your respective European countries?&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;...&amp;nbsp;to some extent -&amp;nbsp;YES&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The reason is:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;B&amp;amp;O is no longer able to produce new drivers,&amp;nbsp;they are running out of stock,&amp;nbsp;they need the old magnet &lt;br /&gt;and chassis to re-use these parts for reconing (and to be able to deliver spare-drivers in future).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;To enforce the returning of&amp;nbsp;old parts the price has been increased to a ludicrous level&amp;nbsp;if no old parts&amp;nbsp;are returned!&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As far as I know - if you return the drivers&amp;nbsp;the retail price per&amp;nbsp;refubished mid-driver will be around EUR 60.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe you can use &lt;a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/8-Bang-Olufsen-B-O-Penta-Speakers-Woofers-Drivers-NR-/300575055939?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&amp;amp;hash=item45fbab6043"&gt;these&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Penta Midrange Drivers - Unrealistic recent price change by B&amp;O to $400 per driver?</title><link>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/thread/330547.aspx</link><pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2011 17:35:30 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">41a2a90c-3a1e-4bd3-b144-3883695a7f38:330547</guid><dc:creator>Vienna</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/thread/330547.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=13&amp;PostID=330547</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/Themes/beotheme1/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt; &lt;strong&gt;Michael_Sean:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Can any of you confirm that this price and exchange policy has also been implemented in your respective European countries?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;...&amp;nbsp;to some extent -&amp;nbsp;YES&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The reason is:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;B&amp;amp;O is no longer able to produce new drivers,&amp;nbsp;they are running out of stock,&amp;nbsp;they need the old magnet &lt;br /&gt;and chassis to re-use these parts for reconing (and to be able to deliver spare-drivers in future).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;To enforce the returning of&amp;nbsp;old parts the price has been increased to a ludicrous level&amp;nbsp;if no old parts&amp;nbsp;are returned!&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As far as I know - if you return the drivers&amp;nbsp;the retail price per&amp;nbsp;refubished mid-driver will be around EUR 60.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Penta Midrange Drivers - Unrealistic recent price change by B&amp;O to $400 per driver?</title><link>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/thread/330545.aspx</link><pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2011 17:11:40 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">41a2a90c-3a1e-4bd3-b144-3883695a7f38:330545</guid><dc:creator>Søren Mexico</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/thread/330545.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=13&amp;PostID=330545</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/Themes/beotheme1/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt; &lt;strong&gt;Michael_Sean:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Looks like we&amp;#39;ll all have to learn the art of replacing speaker surrounds for our Pentas. For better or worse, it appears that we are being left with no choice.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Count 15-20 USD per driver, and 1 houer effective work per driver, with shimming and new dust caps, but get good surrounds and glue, and work slowly and exactly.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Penta Midrange Drivers - Unrealistic recent price change by B&amp;O to $400 per driver?</title><link>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/thread/330539.aspx</link><pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2011 16:34:34 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">41a2a90c-3a1e-4bd3-b144-3883695a7f38:330539</guid><dc:creator>9 LEE</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/thread/330539.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=13&amp;PostID=330539</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;img src="http://forum.beoworld.org/emoticons/58.gif" alt="Laughing" /&gt;&lt;img src="http://forum.beoworld.org/emoticons/58.gif" alt="Laughing" /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Surely he was wrong.. &amp;nbsp;that&amp;#39;s ludicrous.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Lee&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Penta Midrange Drivers - Unrealistic recent price change by B&amp;O to $400 per driver?</title><link>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/thread/330532.aspx</link><pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2011 15:36:11 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">41a2a90c-3a1e-4bd3-b144-3883695a7f38:330532</guid><dc:creator>Michael_Sean</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/thread/330532.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=13&amp;PostID=330532</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;Hello all. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#39;m here in the USA and recently acquired a pair of Penta 1&amp;#39;s for all of $300.00. No shipping required as they were sold by a gent right here in my city. Good thing as they are much larger and heavier then I had expected. They are in pretty nice condition apart from the expected midrange driver issue -&amp;nbsp; all eight 3&amp;quot; midrange drivers are suffering from extreme foam rot.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#39;ve read everything posted on BeoWorld concerning the options of purchasing new&amp;nbsp;drivers from B&amp;amp;O or&amp;nbsp;replacing the foam surrounds with either foam or rubber. Many of the comments by BeoWorld contributors indicated that the price for new B&amp;amp;O replacement drivers would be&amp;nbsp;between 25 to 30 British Pounds or approximately $40.00 to $50.00 per piece.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;After inquiring with two B&amp;amp;O parts suppliers - a Bang &amp;amp; Olufsen factory store in Washington D.C. and Atlantic Systems here in Massachusetts - I have found out some astounding &lt;a&gt;news: I&lt;/a&gt; was quoted by the Bang &amp;amp; Olufsen factory store a price of $400.00 per driver! That translates into $3,200.00 to replace all eight speakers!! I explained to the store employee that these were very small and very basic 3&amp;quot; paper coned drivers. He stood firm at $400.00 per driver.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A further inquiry with Paul at Atlantic Systems reinforced that a recent significant price&amp;nbsp;increase has been instituted by B&amp;amp;O for these obviously high demand drivers. He explained to me that they were, up until recently, approximately $50.00 per driver. Not only has the price increased, but B&amp;amp;O now requires that the original rotted one&amp;#39;s be sent back to them lest one not receive a &amp;quot;core&amp;quot; credit. The original part number was 8480106 but has now been changed to 8410606.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Can any of you confirm that this price and exchange policy has also been implemented in your respective European countries?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Looks like we&amp;#39;ll all have to learn the art of replacing speaker surrounds for our Pentas. For better or worse, it appears that we are being left with no choice.&lt;/p&gt;
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