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Re: Should I leave the Beocenter 9500 to a workshop before using it?

Hubbe — Tue, 17 Jan 2012 17:45:14 GMT

tournedos:
Listen to them first, and if you're not happy, only then consider the recap.

Will follow your advice. Thanks!

Re: Should I leave the Beocenter 9500 to a workshop before using it?

tournedos — Sat, 14 Jan 2012 16:04:36 GMT

Hubbe:
How do one know when it's time to replace the caps in the crossovers?

Impossible to say, unfortunately. They are now 15 to 20 years old, so I believe you could hear some improvement but probably not anything dramatic. Mainly the treble end gets duller with time. Listen to them first, and if you're not happy, only then consider the recap.

Re: Should I leave the Beocenter 9500 to a workshop before using it?

Hubbe — Thu, 12 Jan 2012 17:14:49 GMT

tournedos:

I did however replace the caps in the crossovers, and that improved the sound a lot. The 6000s are newer so they might not need it yet - I have a pair of 6000s as well, but have never tried any direct comparison between these.

Placing these near the wall might give a bit more bass if you're into that kind of thing. I have mine on ceiling poles about 40-50 cm away from the room corners.

Thanks for the tips about placement. I will experiment myself. How do one know when it's time to replace the caps in the crossovers?

Re: Should I leave the Beocenter 9500 to a workshop before using it?

tournedos — Thu, 12 Jan 2012 07:51:24 GMT

RL6000 are practically the same as RL60.2 and both of them definitely have the durable rubber surrounds. Older RL60 does rot, and for example RL140 as well.

I have a pair of RL60.2's connected to a Beocenter 8000 at the office (I believe the amp is identical in 9500) and I quite like the combination! I did however replace the caps in the crossovers, and that improved the sound a lot. The 6000s are newer so they might not need it yet - I have a pair of 6000s as well, but have never tried any direct comparison between these.

Placing these near the wall might give a bit more bass if you're into that kind of thing. I have mine on ceiling poles about 40-50 cm away from the room corners.

Re: Should I leave the Beocenter 9500 to a workshop before using it?

Hubbe — Thu, 12 Jan 2012 07:05:31 GMT

Sounds good that they don´t have tendencies to rot. Talked to a dealer a while ago and they said that older Beovox Redline speakers had that tendency. Adviced me not to buy them. I figured that that was the case with all redline speakers. Read a few threads here and a few other places and was still not sure. However 135 Euro is not that much money. And I was curious on the sound.

I also read that placement is critical for the sound. What is the best way to place RL6000? On floor stand close to wall or further out in the room. Some post prefered wall mounting.

Re: Should I leave the Beocenter 9500 to a workshop before using it?

Søren Hammer — Thu, 12 Jan 2012 02:36:18 GMT

Congratulations with your speaker purchase, they are nice (have a pair myself with my Beocenter 9300).

The RL6000 descends from the older RedLine 60 and 60.2, though the speaker units are maginally different. The speaker membanes are made of rubber, so I don't expect them to have any tendencies to rot.

Re: Should I leave the Beocenter 9500 to a workshop before using it?

Hubbe — Wed, 11 Jan 2012 19:18:26 GMT

Update:

I bought a set of Beovox RL6000 in mint condition today unseen. It will take a couple of days to have them delivered. Black piano lacquer with floor stands and cabels for less than 135 Euro. They will be tested with my Beocenter 9500. I´m not sure that I will like them soundwise however. I have never listened to passiv B&O speakers before. I own a set och Dynaudio Audience 42 that I have not used in years. Might not be fair to compare those two speakers. I have never listened to them together with my Beocenter or Beosystem. Only the Thule Audio system. Don´t have the right cable connections to to connect them to my B&O systems.

Do the Beovox RL6000 suffer from foam rot? I read a few threads and is still not sure what is the case.

Re: Should I leave the Beocenter 9500 to a workshop before using it?

Friedmett — Wed, 11 May 2011 01:12:02 GMT

Now that's a world where everbody has an opnion.

As it is you can pick your favorite Beovox/Beolab and still have a great sound.

The drawbacks of Beovox are foam rot and the Beolabs are costly.

You got the best of both worlds and do not have to have Beolabs only as the Beocenter have active/passive speaker options.

RL or CX would fit greatly. As long as you like the sound, size and design.

Re: Should I leave the Beocenter 9500 to a workshop before using it?

Hubbe — Tue, 10 May 2011 16:47:08 GMT

Friedmett:

Dillen/Martin has a hobby doing qualified service on old B&O and I have used him for alot of my collection as I can't complain with the work he is doing. I got about 8 hours train ride back and fourth but its always worth it in the end. Living in Denmark does have its good things and that's qualified service for old B&O nearby.

You can send him a pm for contact details here on Beoworld.

I live in the south of sweden, but as I said it´s only one hour by car to Copenhagen. I will send Dillen a pm soon enough.

Today I tested mine old Beovox cx-100 for the first time on the BC9500. Had to borrow cables from a B&O dealer. They seem to work fine. I don´t have any use for them at the moment so they will end up in storage again. Since I started this thread I was curious in what state they where in.

The test of mine Beovox loudspeakers got me thinking. How good are the passive speakers compared to the active speakers from B&O? They took a great leap forward with Beolab 3 Beolab 5 and Beolab 9. But if you compare Beolab/Beovox Penta, Beolab/Beovox 5000. How about the Beovox RL series?

Re: Should I leave the Beocenter 9500 to a workshop before using it?

Friedmett — Fri, 06 May 2011 16:11:18 GMT

Dillen/Martin has a hobby doing qualified service on old B&O and I have used him for alot of my collection as I can't complain with the work he is doing. I got about 8 hours train ride back and fourth but its always worth it in the end. Living in Denmark does have its good things and that's qualified service for old B&O nearby.

You can send him a pm for contact details here on Beoworld.

Re: Should I leave the Beocenter 9500 to a workshop before using it?

Hubbe — Fri, 06 May 2011 14:59:45 GMT

Copenhagen is just one hour by car from me. Does Dillan have a workshop or do he do all work on the side as a private person? Good to know that there are someone experienced close by.

Re: Should I leave the Beocenter 9500 to a workshop before using it?

Friedmett — Fri, 06 May 2011 12:50:20 GMT

So very true.

Last saturday I went to Copenhagen to pickup a Beocenter 9500 that needed service. I made arrangements with Dillen so I could drop it of to him after I got it.

It did light up but cd and tape doors were stuck. I paid for it and loaded it upright. Went to the local train station which took to me to Dillen but when we met and started to load into his car the glass had fallen of.

The word from Dillen today is that the Beocenter is finished so I hope that the glass will stay on for me when I get it home.

Re: Should I leave the Beocenter 9500 to a workshop before using it?

tournedos — Fri, 06 May 2011 10:24:18 GMT

Hubbe:
When I press "play" the cartridge hit the vinyl at the very end and jumps of. You have to help it by gently pushing it in the right direction by hand or by pushing the "left" and "right" button on the Beogram to guide the cartridge right.

OK, that's a clear adjustment problem. It's a 10 minute job, but requires opening the Beogram. To replace the belt, you only need to lift the platter off and it's all there.

Hubbe:
How about the glas panels on the Beocenter 9500? Are they available new from Bang Olufsen if the worst would happend? You mean that they could fall of if you carry it wrong?

The glass panels for 9500 are no longer available, but I believe panels for 9300 are. There's some minor difference in the labeling of the lower panel, but I can't remember exactly what it was (missing "timer"?). Otherwise they will fit & work.

Just keep the Beocenter horizontal and the panels aren't going to drop anywhere. They are fixed with double sided tape to some plastic frames. The tape disintegrates with years going by and then there's nothing keeping the glass in place if you turn the Beocenter upright.

Re: Should I leave the Beocenter 9500 to a workshop before using it?

Hubbe — Fri, 06 May 2011 05:23:16 GMT

tournedos:

You can get a new belt from Dillen and it's easy to replace yourself. The adjustments are better left alone unless there is a problem. Same for the belt - if the deck works fine, you don't need a new belt yet.

The workshop said my belt was fine when they took that quick look on it. I am not that keen on doing work on my Bang Olufsen equipment. I don´t want anything to break while doing it and I don´t have knowledge or experience to do it. In addition I have to buy all the tools and material needed to do it correctly. I think it would be quite expensive in the end. When I press "play" the cartridge hit the vinyl at the very end and jumps of. You have to help it by gently pushing it in the right direction by hand or by pushing the "left" and "right" button on the Beogram to guide the cartridge right. I seen that there was a thread about the problem in the Beogram forum. It's a little annoying problem. It would be handy to be able to press the play where the needle would be able to find the right track immediately instead of having to go physically to Beogram and open the lid.

tournedos:
Spare parts for these haven't been available for years. Every now and then you see a NOS panel on fleaBay and they usually end up costing more than a complete working remote! Some members have replaced the panels with new generic stainless steel sheet, but you lose the etched B&O logo. I would personally rather have the scratch.

Getting back to the 9500, if it works perfectly now your main worry is keeping the glass panels in one piece - just remember the issue if you need to carry it around.

I would definitely rather have a litle scratch than changing it to a non OEM part. Let´s not forget that the remote is almost 20 years old and used. With that in mind it still is in very good condition. You have to look close to see the small marks from a ring or something like it. How about the glas panels on the Beocenter 9500? Are they available new from Bang Olufsen if the worst would happend? You mean that they could fall of if you carry it wrong? Thanks for the warning about the glas panels.

Re: Should I leave the Beocenter 9500 to a workshop before using it?

tournedos — Fri, 06 May 2011 02:18:26 GMT

Hubbe:
I now regret I did not let the workshop change belt and adjust my Beogram 7000 when I left it at the workshop for a quick look that it was alright in february. I was going to call the workshop but other stuff came in between.

You can get a new belt from Dillen and it's easy to replace yourself. The adjustments are better left alone unless there is a problem. Same for the belt - if the deck works fine, you don't need a new belt yet.

Hubbe:
I have a minor scratch on my Beolink 7000 on the mirror part. Someone of the previous owner probably had a ring. Does anyone know if it is possible to replace it with a new one from B&O?

Spare parts for these haven't been available for years. Every now and then you see a NOS panel on fleaBay and they usually end up costing more than a complete working remote! Some members have replaced the panels with new generic stainless steel sheet, but you lose the etched B&O logo. I would personally rather have the scratch.

Getting back to the 9500, if it works perfectly now your main worry is keeping the glass panels in one piece - just remember the issue if you need to carry it around.