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Re: BeoSound 1 &3200 are no more.

beoberlin — Tue, 22 Nov 2011 08:36:00 GMT

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Re: BeoSound 1 &3200 are no more.

f5434964 — Tue, 22 Nov 2011 04:51:51 GMT

of course you are right - old products have to be replaced by something new

espescially to get your customers back in the shop to buy again!

So: We are expecting new exciting products at the top of quality and design with something special thats makes the difference to all other A/V-players ;-)

regards elmar

Re: BeoSound 1 &3200 are no more.

Karel Uyttendaele — Tue, 22 Nov 2011 04:44:09 GMT

f5434964:

that's true and mankind would not have become like we are now if there wasn't this challange and response thing but like Porsche is adapting the 911 B&O could adapt their products as well;

discontinuing - ok - but whats going to be next?

The problem: the BS5/BM5 is just a mp3 player, every Beovision is just a TV; there's nothing special; the BS9000 and 3200 have had these extras which no other product/brand offered...moving elements, light --- they are still fascinating , captivating;

now the product range is quite simple - just playing music or movies - that's far too less for being B&O

the budgets of Porsche is a couple of times larger than B&O so they can adapt and evolve their 911. But then again.. it's still a steeringwheel, breakes and 4 tires.. nothing special there... to make the comparison

The real switch where B&O is struggling with is the increasingly transformation from physical to virual music and pictures (be it tv/movies...). It's a small miracle that they continue to exist in this harsh economy.. so they must be doing something good.

The fact that Tue has taken over is a clear sign that the shareholders want to be sure that their investment is still future proof and want someone who can take B&O into the 21 century.

Discontinuing products who have been around for more than a decade and which have not been updated and which are using dated technologie is a first step into the right direction.

(just as Porsche has made a significant investment with their 918 spyder hybrid frog :-) :-) :-)

Re: BeoSound 1 &3200 are no more.

f5434964 — Tue, 22 Nov 2011 03:23:37 GMT

Karel Uyttendaele:
the only way to survive is to adapt.. not by holding on to what's most comfortable (and the most easy)

that's true and mankind would not have become like we are now if there wasn't this challange and response thing but like Porsche is adapting the 911 B&O could adapt their products as well;

discontinuing - ok - but whats going to be next?

The problem: the BS5/BM5 is just a mp3 player, every Beovision is just a TV; there's nothing special; the BS9000 and 3200 have had these extras which no other product/brand offered...moving elements, light --- they are still fascinating , captivating;

now the product range is quite simple - just playing music or movies - that's far too less for being B&O

Re: BeoSound 1 &3200 are no more.

Karel Uyttendaele — Mon, 21 Nov 2011 09:34:05 GMT

At one point in time BeoCenter 9x00 and 8x00 were also considered B&O Icons... It's where I got the BeoBug... but even they got axed.

Don't get me wrong... I love the Ouverture/BS9000/BS1 designs... but at one point things need to move on.. Even if it means terminating products.

Change is never comfortabel... but... the only way to survive is to adapt.. not by holding on to what's most comfortable (and the most easy)

Re: BeoSound 1 &3200 are no more.

Mindphaser — Mon, 21 Nov 2011 09:19:17 GMT

f5434964:

I think no-one who loves B&O like us can understand why BS3200 or BS9000, BS1 are discontinued...

Exactly what i think;

not so much for the BS1, but the 3200 and especially the BS9000 represents B&O like 911 represents Porsche or even like the Aviators represents Rayban.

ICONS; and i cannot believe there are no more lasers produced for Audio CDs...after all, the 3200 and the 9000 still sell pretty well; 'cause it's not a matter of thecnology (no mp3 support and so on), but of aestethics and iconic design.

What are these guys at B&O doing right now? If they had put the BS3200 and the BS9000 out of production, anything can happend!

I mean, now i would be scared if these people would turn down even the BL 4000, 6002 and 8002 - which i hope would be unlikely 'cause they use IcePOWER technology.

Re: BeoSound 1 &3200 are no more.

f5434964 — Mon, 21 Nov 2011 08:39:21 GMT

sorry but that only reason is bad marketing; you must not kill your own icons; eg there always will be a BMW 3 series, Porsche 911 and so on...

I do not know what the people at B&O are doing! There would be such a big list which would have to done - or could be; why not updating these icons?! Launching something new is always more expensive than updating something already existing...

I think no-one who loves B&O like us can understand why BS3200 or BS9000, BS1 are discontinued...

Re: BeoSound 1 &3200 are no more.

Mindphaser — Mon, 21 Nov 2011 05:42:53 GMT

SecretSheep:

Catch them whilst you can. The 3200 is also now stopping production. The problem has been the discontinuation of the CD mechanism and the anticipated cost of re-engineering these models.

Sorry if i reup this thread;

but since for me the Beosound Ouverture/2500/3000/3200 (basically they are the same thing; design-wise the 25000/Ouverture is for me the most beautiful 'cause with the acassette player the design is way more coherent) is simply the most beautiful integrated Hi-Fi EVER; would like to know these 2 arguments in details, if i can.

CD mechanism is being discontinuing by Philips? All right, audio CD is dying , but a lot of other producers (Micromega, Marantz, NAD are the first that came into my mind) are still producing High End CD players ....where they take the lasers mechanism ?

And how about the re-engineerign of the 3200 (and why?) . Thanks for any clarification.

Re: BeoSound 1 &3200 are no more.

Dave — Sun, 06 Feb 2011 22:25:35 GMT

Out with the old in with the new (lets hope)

The compact disc is dying, yes it's really happening

Re: BeoSound 1 &3200 are no more.

Doctor — Sun, 06 Feb 2011 16:19:39 GMT

Surely Nina Simone! Or if Trip has been watching the Virgin ad, Muse!

Re: BeoSound 1 &3200 are no more.

jjcox — Sun, 06 Feb 2011 15:30:02 GMT

TripEnglish:

It's a new dawn, a new day, a new life...

Sophie B. Hawkins, Feelin' Good

Re: BeoSound 1 &3200 are no more.

Jon — Sat, 05 Feb 2011 19:50:21 GMT

valve1:

The end of days for the 9000s is upon us and I am sure the dealers will only be delighted to get rid of their demo white models to any one who can remember what a cd is . You will be doing them a favour. I am going to get rid of my beosound 4 (which i never liked) and get another 9000 for my place in France.

Jon:
One of these days, I'll be able to get one..

Yeah, I'm sure. My current circumstances preclude any such purchase, however. It's going to be awhile before I ever get to buy any more B&O.

Jon

Re: BeoSound 1 &3200 are no more.

valve1 — Sat, 05 Feb 2011 14:41:07 GMT

The end of days for the 9000s is upon us and I am sure the dealers will only be delighted to get rid of their demo white models to any one who can remember what a cd is . You will be doing them a favour. I am going to get rid of my beosound 4 (which i never liked) and get another 9000 for my place in France.

Jon:
One of these days, I'll be able to get one..

Re: BeoSound 1 &3200 are no more.

Søren Hammer — Sat, 05 Feb 2011 11:56:14 GMT

I have cuttently an ipod, 2 CD players, 3 laptops and 4 Beogram newly restorated tangentials (two 4002 and two 8002) and 4 Beocords, Two of them being a 9000. I own about 550 vinyl LP's, 50 CD's and 200 cassette tapes. I am 17 years old. I think it's a shame that B&O ditches those products as they were Danish made, and it is a sign that the FM radio and CD media is going to suffer a quiet death in the next decade or so...

Re: BeoSound 1 &3200 are no more.

beocool — Sat, 05 Feb 2011 11:38:09 GMT

spthomas:

Interestingly, my 23 yr old daughter last week bought turntable from a friend because apparently vinyl is becoming cool again; my 20 yr old daughter was jealous for the turntable. If B&O had turntables, I'd bet they would be selling, since they were so cool and different!

Food for thought. As much as I believe digital is the way forward, I can't imagine selling my Beograms.

spthomas:
Yes, it's a new day, but is it really better?

I believe "old" technology is usually better when the "new" technology is introduced. For instance the picture quality of an Avant was much better than the early LCD's. After some time the "new" will hopefully improve and get better than the "old". I'm confident that the same is true for the reproduction of music. That doesn't solve the issue of physically handling the music, which I quite like myself. But the benefit of having all your music directly accessible is worth a great deal too. At least IMHO.