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Re: External Agency appointed for B&O October product launch

XavierItzmann — Sat, 13 Nov 2010 13:28:28 GMT

vikinger:

2. B&O make it easier to change and upgrade or supplement the internal modules in their products so that they can be upgraded at not too extortionate costs and customers no longer need worry about paying a premium for a product that will be out of date in no time at all.

Funny.

My Beoport with LinkPlayer software now works very similarly, and is in many ways superior, to "multimedia devices" recently launched by Roku, Google TV, Apple TV, Hulu, etc.

Talk about a 2001 B&O product being modularly supplemented by software from a one-man operation to deliver outstanding functionality and performance for nearly nothing... the opposite of extortionate.

Re: External Agency appointed for B&O October product launch

Evan — Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:11:37 GMT

vikinger:

So the launched product is the Beosound 8.

Does it fulfill any of the desires expressed in this thread? (OK, it's not a Beolab 5000 with ICEpower................ )

Graham

Sadly, no.

Re: External Agency appointed for B&O October product launch

vikinger — Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:10:10 GMT

So the launched product is the Beosound 8.

Does it fulfill any of the desires expressed in this thread? (OK, it's not a Beolab 5000 with ICEpower................ )

Graham

Re: External Agency appointed for B&O October product launch

Evan — Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:06:07 GMT

vikinger:

burantek:

Just to stir the pot...

B&o rather quietly trademaked the term "BEOCLASSIC" just a few months ago.

No big deal, right? After all, it is just a component of the online "BEOLOUNGE" which was also trademarked by them a few years ago.

Well, the "goods and services" component of the trademark are rather different...

"BEOCLASSIC" refers to <electronic devices> (i.e.) physical products and <networked information> (i.e.) website.

"BEOLOUNGE" refers only to <networked information> (i.e) website.

Hmmm...... maybe a new Beolab 5000 amp with ICepower inside??????????

I would be first in line! Even though I have never heard the original. I know that this will never happen, but I can't wait to see what this leads to!

Re: External Agency appointed for B&O October product launch

furkank — Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:41:15 GMT

vikinger:

elephant:

TripEnglish:
I don't think there's a way to put something like a 9000 on the market and let it mature over the next 15 years and so long as the pace of development is guaranteeing a short shelf life, large investments just don't make sense.

I agree ... I liked the comment in this thread "Apple adds function in layers" -> http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1005911

(the OP's hypothesis is interesting ...)

B&O need to have a foundation that they can then build out from ... of course this is so much easier if you are dealing with software (i.e. iTunes and store) or hardware that is priced at a point where users don't feel financial pain if they switch every two to three years.

B&O's "investment for a lifetime/decade" used to be viable ... now they need to be nimble or have the best set of crystal balls that money can buy !

1. B&O can sell ICEpower amps to the rest of the industry and get those products to carry a B&O/ICEpower branding. It can use more ICEpower in its own products. Result: everyone is using the best amps/ lowest power consumption combination available and B&O get all the credit.

2. B&O make it easier to change and upgrade or supplement the internal modules in their products so that they can be upgraded at not too extortionate costs and customers no longer need worry about paying a premium for a product that will be out of date in no time at all.

3. Recognise [elephant's link] that seamless integration of audio & TV with the likes of Apple products is probably coming via Apple. Give Apple every reason to recommend B&O (as with computer speakers) and B&O will get a great lift.

Graham

Exactly..

Re: External Agency appointed for B&O October product launch

vikinger — Sun, 05 Sep 2010 03:22:35 GMT

elephant:

TripEnglish:
I don't think there's a way to put something like a 9000 on the market and let it mature over the next 15 years and so long as the pace of development is guaranteeing a short shelf life, large investments just don't make sense.

I agree ... I liked the comment in this thread "Apple adds function in layers" -> http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1005911

(the OP's hypothesis is interesting ...)

B&O need to have a foundation that they can then build out from ... of course this is so much easier if you are dealing with software (i.e. iTunes and store) or hardware that is priced at a point where users don't feel financial pain if they switch every two to three years.

B&O's "investment for a lifetime/decade" used to be viable ... now they need to be nimble or have the best set of crystal balls that money can buy !

1. B&O can sell ICEpower amps to the rest of the industry and get those products to carry a B&O/ICEpower branding. It can use more ICEpower in its own products. Result: everyone is using the best amps/ lowest power consumption combination available and B&O get all the credit.

2. B&O make it easier to change and upgrade or supplement the internal modules in their products so that they can be upgraded at not too extortionate costs and customers no longer need worry about paying a premium for a product that will be out of date in no time at all.

3. Recognise [elephant's link] that seamless integration of audio & TV with the likes of Apple products is probably coming via Apple. Give Apple every reason to recommend B&O (as with computer speakers) and B&O will get a great lift.

Graham

Re: External Agency appointed for B&O October product launch

elephant — Sat, 04 Sep 2010 23:52:23 GMT

TripEnglish:
I don't think there's a way to put something like a 9000 on the market and let it mature over the next 15 years and so long as the pace of development is guaranteeing a short shelf life, large investments just don't make sense.

I agree ... I liked the comment in this thread "Apple adds function in layers" -> http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1005911

(the OP's hypothesis is interesting ...)

B&O need to have a foundation that they can then build out from ... of course this is so much easier if you are dealing with software (i.e. iTunes and store) or hardware that is priced at a point where users don't feel financial pain if they switch every two to three years.

B&O's "investment for a lifetime/decade" used to be viable ... now they need to be nimble or have the best set of crystal balls that money can buy !

Re: External Agency appointed for B&O October product launch

TripEnglish — Sat, 04 Sep 2010 22:06:34 GMT

Elephant, you and I are in complete agreement on this. I'm beginning to feel that our price-point, even more than our shortcomings in software design, is really what's keeping us from being relevant in this arena. Even if we got it right, it would be "late fall/early winter of 2010 right" I don't think there's a way to put something like a 9000 on the market and let it mature over the next 15 years and so long as the pace of development is guaranteeing a short shelf life, large investments just don't make sense.

Re: External Agency appointed for B&O October product launch

elephant — Sat, 04 Sep 2010 20:24:23 GMT

koning:

SecretSheep:

The iPod dock is old news and not ground breaking. Think Beosound 5 lite as the man said - but lite may not be what you think. Should be more in tune with what we want.

What do we want sheep???

I hope the sheep are wiser than me ... because I think the industry is at an inflection point ... and I am not certain I could pick a sure path through the alternatives ahead

Re: External Agency appointed for B&O October product launch

koning — Sat, 04 Sep 2010 18:19:47 GMT

SecretSheep:

The iPod dock is old news and not ground breaking. Think Beosound 5 lite as the man said - but lite may not be what you think. Should be more in tune with what we want.

What do we want sheep???

Re: External Agency appointed for B&O October product launch

vikinger — Sat, 04 Sep 2010 11:43:48 GMT

Raeuber:

PhilLondon:

Just thought that this new product is likely to be the Beosound 5 lite, or Link room "client" for beosound 5. That had been announced a while ago, but we haven't seen it yet.

In the menu of some TVs there is a reference to VIDEOLIB, and we still don't know what that is as well.

Yes, I hope it will be a Video Library which is shown as VIDEOLIB in the connection menue of my BV10-40. Means an external video machine with harddisk, blueray, ipod dock, network connection, usb-port and the possibility of streaming videos.

Ok, it´s only a dream...

So it will be an ipod dock without ML and Apple´s new AirPlay. The truth is poor for B&O and hard for us!

Regards

Räuber

The iPod dock is old news and not ground breaking. Think Beosound 5 lite as the man said - but lite may not be what you think. Should be more in tune with what we want.

They think we're just eating grass....

But secretsheep (above post) suggest that it's not the ipod dock and that Beosound 'Lite +' is more likely. Just need to wait to see what the '+' involves!

Graham

Re: External Agency appointed for B&O October product launch

Raeuber — Sat, 04 Sep 2010 11:36:04 GMT

PhilLondon:

Just thought that this new product is likely to be the Beosound 5 lite, or Link room "client" for beosound 5. That had been announced a while ago, but we haven't seen it yet.

In the menu of some TVs there is a reference to VIDEOLIB, and we still don't know what that is as well.

Yes, I hope it will be a Video Library which is shown as VIDEOLIB in the connection menue of my BV10-40. Means an external video machine with harddisk, blueray, ipod dock, network connection, usb-port and the possibility of streaming videos.

Ok, it´s only a dream...

So it will be an ipod dock without ML and Apple´s new AirPlay. The truth is poor for B&O and hard for us!

Regards

Räuber

Re: External Agency appointed for B&O October product launch

SecretSheep — Sat, 04 Sep 2010 10:53:06 GMT

The iPod dock is old news and not ground breaking. Think Beosound 5 lite as the man said - but lite may not be what you think. Should be more in tune with what we want.

Re: External Agency appointed for B&O October product launch

burantek — Sat, 04 Sep 2010 10:15:01 GMT

Tim Marston:

So no more of this new CD/DVD/BR/Internet/Streaming nonsense. Back to basics.

From now on its "classic" vinyl only!?!

Who knows? ...or rather: why not?

I think that with the revival of vinyl...

How about a brand new BEOCLASSIC BG4005 BG5 priced ~$1500USD?

I'd bet they would outsell the ~$5,000USD BS5 100:1

Re: External Agency appointed for B&O October product launch

Sevilsivle — Sat, 04 Sep 2010 08:12:23 GMT

burantek:

Just to stir the pot...

B&o rather quietly trademarked the term "BEOCLASSIC" just a few months ago.

No big deal, right? After all, it is just a component of the online "BEOLOUNGE" which was also trademarked by them a few years ago.

Well, the "goods and services" component of the trademark are rather different...

"BEOCLASSIC" refers to <electronic devices> (i.e.) physical products and <networked information> (i.e.) website.

"BEOLOUNGE" refers only to <networked information> (i.e) website.

So no more of this new CD/DVD/BR/Internet/Streaming nonsense. Back to basics.

From now on its "classic" vinyl only!?!

Tim