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Re: LED BeoVision 7-40 when?

mbee — Wed, 04 Aug 2010 10:48:16 GMT

Wow! That's the first time B&O has a quick response time to a customer advice

(it seem that they can be very quick if we ask them to DOWNGRADE the spec sheet... upgrading usually takes years!)

Re: LED BeoVision 7-40 when?

Vienna — Wed, 04 Aug 2010 10:37:20 GMT

mbee:

For your information (and Chris too...), the BV8 40 has been updated, there is a new panel, 200Hz refresh rate, and... 3 HDMI!

Here are the new tech specs :
http://www.bang-olufsen.com/specifications?productid=26

yesterday I've informed B&O about the "misleading specs" issue on their BV 8-40 (EU) site
- today this has been straightened out ...

http://www.bang-olufsen.com/specifications?productid=26

Re: BeoVision 7-40" Mk V, when?

TerryM — Wed, 04 Aug 2010 04:20:39 GMT

The reason for my earlier post was not to compare an entry level Sharp against a BV7,which would have been ludicrous,but to indicate that a superior form of LED backlighting was available in a 40" Panel.

Edge lit LED Panels are susceptible to clouding issues,as evidenced by reports of variability in the BV10-40 TVs.

As for the superb PQ of the BV7-40,anything less in a TV incorporating a £3-4000 AV Processor would be inexcusable.

Re: BeoVision 7-40" Mk V, when?

mbee — Wed, 04 Aug 2010 04:14:59 GMT

Nowadays, people just listen to marketing hype, and want the latest panel, not the best picture quality... They want to be able to say "I have the 2010.X.Y.3D-extrathin panel", without actually turning the TV ON!

Edge LED backlighting suffers from non uniformity issues, and first generation of full LED backlighting offers a better contrast than CCFL, but as soon as you really start to watch a movie, you can see that the low quantity of LED behind the panel creates new issues such as details disappearing on dark scenes... And we didn't talk about 3D, which offers a cool gadget feature, but darkens the image a lot, so that you can't see details on dark scenes (but with 3D glasses at least you can't see your clouding issues anymore!!)...

Re: BeoVision 7-40" Mk V, when?

moxxey — Wed, 04 Aug 2010 00:58:16 GMT

TripEnglish:

Has anyone actually critically viewed a BV10 and a BV7-40 side by side?

Yes.

TripEnglish:

I can understand waiting for an LED back-lit BV7-40, but putting an edge-lit panel in just because it's "newer" is silly.

Which is exactly what I've been saying. People complaining about not having "the latest panel" is an argument not worth having when the BV7-40 MKV has a superb picture.

Re: BeoVision 7-40" Mk V, when?

TripEnglish — Tue, 03 Aug 2010 23:34:26 GMT

Has anyone actually critically viewed a BV10 and a BV7-40 side by side? The BV7-40 is significantly better. Watch a film where there are dark scenes and the difference will jump out at you. The BV10 looks great for an edge-lit, but it can't achieve the same PQ as a back-lit, even a ccfl backlight.

I can understand waiting for an LED back-lit BV7-40, but putting an edge-lit panel in just because it's "newer" is silly.

Re: BeoVision 7-40" LED, when ?

Vienna — Tue, 03 Aug 2010 13:39:51 GMT

Stan:

Vienna:

EU Version / US Version

You're referring to the update of the BV8-40, correct? That is, the spec sheet that you indicate is wrong in your previous post applies to the EU, not the US, correct? I've seen a BV8-40 with 3 HDMI, but it was in the US. Don't know if it was 200MHz screen, but it did have a very nice picture. We had to wait ~2 years for this TV (it has just been introduced in the States) so it's nice to be ahead of the EU for once

Stan

BV 8-40: EU version has not been updated yet - still 100/120Hz and 2HDMI
              (not 200/240Hz and 3HDMI as already stated on B&O homepage)
              ... it's planned "but not for the next ?months/?weeks"

BSys 3: upper picture shows EU version
              lower picture shows "component" US version

Re: BeoVision 7-40" LED, when ?

Stan — Tue, 03 Aug 2010 12:44:21 GMT

Vienna:

EU Version / US Version

You're referring to the update of the BV8-40, correct? That is, the spec sheet that you indicate is wrong in your previous post applies to the EU, not the US, correct? I've seen a BV8-40 with 3 HDMI, but it was in the US. Don't know if it was 200MHz screen, but it did have a very nice picture. We had to wait ~2 years for this TV (it has just been introduced in the States) so it's nice to be ahead of the EU for once

Stan

Re: BeoVision 7-40" LED, when ?

Vienna — Tue, 03 Aug 2010 11:23:12 GMT

EU Version / US Version

Re: BeoVision 7-40" LED, when ?

elephant — Tue, 03 Aug 2010 11:02:26 GMT

Hi Peter,

I can see the top BS3 configuration of ports appearing in the BV7.

Where does the bottom BS3 get used ? (you have labelled it "component")

Re: BeoVision 7-40" Mk V, when?

Vienna — Tue, 03 Aug 2010 10:39:53 GMT

TerryM:

Not correct.

Unless I am misreading the specification,the Sharp LC40LE600 has full LED backlighting for only £640.

Review is available at

http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/tvs/sharp-aquos-le600-lc40le600e-review-49303787/

... the very same review also says:

"The lack of 100Hz processing is felt in the LC40LE600E's picture performance.
Motion reproduction lacks the clarity and sharpness witnessed on a growing number
of LCD and plasma TVs these days."

The quality of a picture can't be measured/compared in citing a few tech specs!

The overall picture quality of a BV7-40Mk5 with "old fashioned" CCFL backlight and
200/240Hz is still better than that of a BV 10-40 200/240Hz and LED-Edgelight.

BV7-40Mk5 is seconded only by theBV 7-55 with local dimming but "poor"
100/120Hz refresh rate ... (and some skillfully employed advanced techniques)

BeoVision 7-40" LED, when ?

Peter Pan — Tue, 03 Aug 2010 09:44:34 GMT

TerryM

I not think that B & O runs from their cooperation agreement with Samsung.

Samsung creates image panels for BV.7 after a B & O concept is adapted
B & O's BeoSystem 3 three drove engine. BeoSystem 3 together with genuine
LED backlight technology is why BeoVision 7-55 offers a super beautiful images,
an image quality as BV.10 never achieve without BeoSystem 3 image engine.

Top EU version. Bottom US version.

/ Peter Pan

http://forum.beoworld.org/forums/t/311.aspx

Re: BeoVision 7-40" Mk V, when?

TerryM — Tue, 03 Aug 2010 09:09:59 GMT

Peter Pan:

TerryM

Bang & Olufsen user only panels from Samsung to BeoVision 7 versions.

Hi,

I appreciate that B & O obtain their LCD Panels from Samsung.

My point is that edge lit LED panels are prone to uneven backlighting issues.

In a TV of the price of the BV7,one would expect B & O to source the best available LCD panel,which might not necessarily be one from Samsung.

Re: BeoVision 7-40" Mk V, when?

Peter Pan — Tue, 03 Aug 2010 08:49:28 GMT

TerryM

Bang & Olufsen user only panels from Samsung to BeoVision 7 versions.

Re: BeoVision 7-40" Mk V, when?

TerryM — Tue, 03 Aug 2010 08:02:54 GMT

Peter Pan:

Citat: beobrian from B & O writes:

BeoVision 7-40" MK V is already available in DK, so order a BeoVision 7-40 will
be MK V you get delivered.

The only upgrade here is the panel that has been 200Hz and higher contrast level.
We always change the version when major hardware changes are made, such as panel changes.

You can not get a Direct LED 40 "panel, it does not exist, so therefore it can not yet
established in BeoVision 7-40. So this update is because there has been a better panel
from the subcontractor, and which so far has been spent, is now discontinued and no longer
can be delivered. So it's just a switch so the model can continue. There'll be announced when
there are major changes in an update.

Not correct.

Unless I am misreading the specification,the Sharp LC40LE600 has full LED backlighting for only £640.

Review is available at

http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/tvs/sharp-aquos-le600-lc40le600e-review-49303787/