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Re: What is stopping you buying B&O?...

Clakke — Fri, 26 Mar 2010 07:20:27 GMT

beoaus:

Thought I would start this thread as a list of reasons rather than gripes.

From my end really four things.

1. High Definition link room distribution, which I hear is on the way or here now. Just no details.
2. Cost of the TV's, which I believe needs adjusting down.
3. A new updated remote control (management system) or connecting into say an ITouch.
4. Link room communications. I envisage a central hub of music, video and more being available anywhere and purchasing in that very direction. In IT networking we call it a hub and spoke network.

For me a purchase decision would become a whole lot easier if these area's were addressed.

beoaus.

It is not a 100% stop. I have some plans for telephone and maybe expanding audio a bit, maybe with Beovox. Otherwise, the points above sums up about what I feel.

1. was one of the reasons why we did not even consider B&O TVs.

2. was perhaps the main reason to not buy B&O TV. If you combinate this with 1, it looks even worse for B&O.

3 and 4. This technique was already was already at place when B&O launched BS5. As most of us know this area is solved, maybe even dominated, by Apple (iPhone/iTouch/AppleTV/Mac Mini/Airport Express e t c). In my opinion, it was a waste of time and money to launch something like BS5. This kind of equipment belongs in the computer world. They have the tools and knowledge to develop and maintain systems like that, not B&O. The cost Apple vs B&O in this field speaks for itself. Further, B&O (BS5) is extremely under engineered compared to an Apple solution considering almost everything. The only thing B&O is doing right here is the Beoport, which I use when I connect B&O and Apple. I think it is a shame that B&O has not lanched an App for iPhone (with necessary hardware) to control B&O systems. Why do not they act like Sonos, one App for iPhone and one own remote. Let the customer decide about the remotes. If they wait a little longer, there will probably be a third party App with an IR stick to the iPhone to control B&O equipment (I have seen the solution in the web already). Everybody knows what it means to come out late in the market with a product.

I think I have mentioned my opinion about this before: the only thing B&O shall worry about is how to get the sound to their fine speakers, like they have done with Beoport. If there is a solution like Apple for control, make sure to use it instead of trying to develop something that always will be two steps behind when it hits the market.

I may also add a point.

5. I have always wondered what B&O would do when TVs are flat... In the CRT days B&O was the only manufacturer that made the TV to look flat. I think B&O is facing this new world now. Before the TVs from B&O were really beauties compared to other brands. This is not the case in the flat TV world. B&O just looks good without the wow effect. This is not good enough, by far, if they want to charge their prices. Ok some models comes with a very good sound, but probably people think that it is unnecessary. Either they will not need it, or they use a surround equipment that sounds even better.

Conclusion: I think B&O is facing a problem in one of their core things, that is design. I am very pessimistic when it comes to B&O and TV. The TVs are priced at a level that they compete with rebuilding of garden/bathroom e t c. That has been the case for long time and no change in sight.

We can just hope they make it

Clakke

Re: What is stopping you buying B&O?...

soulboy — Wed, 24 Mar 2010 14:59:54 GMT

It depends what product are we talking about.

I think B&O speakers are spot on. They are good looking, sound nice and there is great price range.

If we look audio systems i think they are way behind. Products like BS9000, BS3200, BS4 look great, they are icons, but i have a feeling they are just slowing B&O down with progres. New young customers dont have CDs. And BS5 just shows how far behind B&O is with software and userface.

Its the same story with TVs. They look great but they are behind with tehnology. Also look new Sony 2010 range some TVs looks better then BV8 for example.

This is my opinion.

Re: What is stopping you buying B&O?...

MGBGTV8 — Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:47:58 GMT

My biggest stopper is the TV pricing.

Your right the pricing does seem a problem but you are getting the swiss watch of TVs in a bv4 or bv7 plus wonderful sound systems all rather nicely intergrated. You can buy a lovely japanese watch for a tenth of a swiss watch,the japanese watch will be as reliable and keep excellent time but doesnt a rolex look fab just like a bv4. I remember people saying the swiss watch industry was finished in the late seventies how wrong they have been.

Re: What is stopping you buying B&O?...

bayerische — Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:16:45 GMT

Puncher:

bayerische:

So should we steer this thread back on topic? I'll be skinned once Jandy or Puncher finds this thread.... Right Burantek?

Fear not! This is exactly the right sort of thread to have these sorts of discussions, i.e. it isn't blighting the Wedthred©!

Thanks man!

I'm looking forward to WED© already.

Re: What is stopping you buying B&O?...

Puncher — Tue, 23 Mar 2010 14:57:47 GMT

bayerische:

So should we steer this thread back on topic? I'll be skinned once Jandy or Puncher finds this thread.... Right Burantek?

Fear not! This is exactly the right sort of thread to have these sorts of discussions, i.e. it isn't blighting the Wedthred©!

Re: What is stopping you buying B&O?...

ed7 — Tue, 23 Mar 2010 14:56:45 GMT

I do not think pricing on it's own is stopper as such definitely a major factor ,if that was the case look around and lots of good second hand around nearly half price or less not exactly flying off the shelve??? is it???

Re: What is stopping you buying B&O?...

bayerische — Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:33:18 GMT

My biggest stopper is the TV pricing.

Be it right or wrong, the prices are high. The audio products are reasonably priced I would say. BL5 is great value for what you get.

Re: What is stopping you buying B&O?...

burantek — Tue, 23 Mar 2010 09:34:03 GMT

bayerische:
So should we steer this thread back on topic? I'll be skinned once Jandy or Puncher finds this thread.... Right Burantek?

Certainly!

To expand on my earlier post...

I guess what is stopping me from buying B&o... We live in a throw away society today. eProducts have a shelf life measured in weeks. The shelf life is now driven more by software than radical hardware changes. I think that what appealed to me most was always B&o's way of thinking outside of the box a bit. I think they might have lost a bit of that edge trying to keep up in software circles... something they just can't do... the result being fairly uninspired products with a slew of faults from the day they launch all for incredible sums of money.

It has been mentioned a million times on here before... outsource the software. Concentrate on brilliant designs. Merge the two into a well finished, competent product that is worth the entry price and that continues in primary service for 10 years before retiring into the enthusiast world.

Re: What is stopping you buying B&O?...

Flappo The Grate — Tue, 23 Mar 2010 09:20:14 GMT

things like software bugs in the tv's

don't seem to have any issues with any other equipment in my house that's not a computer with all these software updates

i wouldn't mind if the gear was state of the art , it isn't

just buggy software badly programmed

that's what's putting me off any new bno kit

Re: What is stopping you buying B&O?...

superdario — Tue, 23 Mar 2010 07:02:08 GMT

chris:

Here it is. Be it Zenith or Valjoux(ETA) only from 93 did Rolex make an effort to make be less reliant on other companies...

btw zenith is a manufactured movement and it is not comparable with a valjoux eta... some rolex daytona's with zenith movement are sought after by collectors... e.g. paul newman daytona.

bayerische:

Don't believe everything you read on the internet, that you don't know the source of.

bayerische is right, don't believe everything you read on "the virtually madhouse"... ;-)

Re: What is stopping you buying B&O?...

bayerische — Tue, 23 Mar 2010 04:24:50 GMT

jldmelb:

burantek:

jldmelb:

bayerische:

chris:

Here it is. Be it Zenith or Valjoux(ETA) only from 93 did Rolex make an effort to make be less reliant on other companies...

http://bjsonline.com/watches/articles/0014.shtml

Sorry to start an entirely off topic watch thread about Rolex etc

Chris, please...

As I mentioned the Rolex Daytona (one model of Rolex) used a Zenith movement before, and as you point out in your link, not any more.

You shouldn't pull the whole Rolex range over the early Daytona. Almost all Rolex models use a movement specific for that model, since Rolex has made their own movements long before 1993. Note 1993 mentioned a CHRONOGRAPH movement. The Rolex Daytona is the ONLY Rolex being a Chronograph.

Yachtmaster?

Unfortunately... a bit confusing.

CHRONOGRAPH vs CHRONOMETER...

haha close enough!!

Nope.

Chronometer is a certification from an independent source. The watch has to be accurate to -4 - +6 sec/24h to get a COSC certification "Contrôle Officiel Suisse des Chronomètres". Almost all Rolex models are certified, and thus called Chronometer on the dial. "superlative chronometer officially certified" can be found printed on Rolex dials if the watch is a Chronometer.

A Chronograph is a watch that has timekeeping and stopwatch functions. No certification.

PS, the Yachtmaster is an awesome watch.

So should we steer this thread back on topic? I'll be skinned once Jandy or Puncher finds this thread.... Right Burantek?

Re: What is stopping you buying B&O?...

Jonathan — Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:25:28 GMT

burantek:

jldmelb:

bayerische:

chris:

Here it is. Be it Zenith or Valjoux(ETA) only from 93 did Rolex make an effort to make be less reliant on other companies...

http://bjsonline.com/watches/articles/0014.shtml

Sorry to start an entirely off topic watch thread about Rolex etc

Chris, please...

As I mentioned the Rolex Daytona (one model of Rolex) used a Zenith movement before, and as you point out in your link, not any more.

You shouldn't pull the whole Rolex range over the early Daytona. Almost all Rolex models use a movement specific for that model, since Rolex has made their own movements long before 1993. Note 1993 mentioned a CHRONOGRAPH movement. The Rolex Daytona is the ONLY Rolex being a Chronograph.

Yachtmaster?

Unfortunately... a bit confusing.

CHRONOGRAPH vs CHRONOMETER...

haha close enough!!

Re: What is stopping you buying B&O?...

burantek — Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:20:22 GMT

jldmelb:

bayerische:

chris:

Here it is. Be it Zenith or Valjoux(ETA) only from 93 did Rolex make an effort to make be less reliant on other companies...

http://bjsonline.com/watches/articles/0014.shtml

Sorry to start an entirely off topic watch thread about Rolex etc

Chris, please...

As I mentioned the Rolex Daytona (one model of Rolex) used a Zenith movement before, and as you point out in your link, not any more.

You shouldn't pull the whole Rolex range over the early Daytona. Almost all Rolex models use a movement specific for that model, since Rolex has made their own movements long before 1993. Note 1993 mentioned a CHRONOGRAPH movement. The Rolex Daytona is the ONLY Rolex being a Chronograph.

Yachtmaster?

Unfortunately... a bit confusing.

CHRONOGRAPH vs CHRONOMETER...

Re: What is stopping you buying B&O?...

Jonathan — Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:07:26 GMT

bayerische:

chris:

Here it is. Be it Zenith or Valjoux(ETA) only from 93 did Rolex make an effort to make be less reliant on other companies...

http://bjsonline.com/watches/articles/0014.shtml

Sorry to start an entirely off topic watch thread about Rolex etc

Chris, please...

As I mentioned the Rolex Daytona (one model of Rolex) used a Zenith movement before, and as you point out in your link, not any more.

You shouldn't pull the whole Rolex range over the early Daytona. Almost all Rolex models use a movement specific for that model, since Rolex has made their own movements long before 1993. Note 1993 mentioned a CHRONOGRAPH movement. The Rolex Daytona is the ONLY Rolex being a Chronograph.

Yachtmaster?

Re: What is stopping you buying B&O?...

bayerische — Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:46:46 GMT

chris:

Here it is. Be it Zenith or Valjoux(ETA) only from 93 did Rolex make an effort to make be less reliant on other companies...

http://bjsonline.com/watches/articles/0014.shtml

Sorry to start an entirely off topic watch thread about Rolex etc

As I said Chris, if you sincerely want to learn about Rolex, visit www.rolexforums.com with a HUMBLE attitude. It's a forum very much like beoworld, friendly, with massive knowledge. Don't believe everything you read on the internet, that you don't know the source of.