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Re: 46-inch BeoVision 10-46 coming

Puncher — Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:51:33 GMT

leogenghis:

Interesting bit about the new "cloudless" panel will also be installed in the 40". Does anyone know when that would be implemented? I just placed an order for a BV 10-40 (to be delivered mid-May) but would want to make sure it has the newer panel! The clouding issues of the old panel is a worrisome aspect for sure.

Leo

I wonder if the "cloudless" breakthrough is related to turning off the other two sides of LED's. Have the brightest whites been sacrificed for deeper, more even blacks? If it's better then great, except why was it necessary for four sided LED's in the first place.

Pardon me for being suspicious!

Re: 46-inch BeoVision 10-46 coming

leogenghis — Wed, 31 Mar 2010 13:51:31 GMT

Interesting bit about the new "cloudless" panel will also be installed in the 40". Does anyone know when that would be implemented? I just placed an order for a BV 10-40 (to be delivered mid-May) but would want to make sure it has the newer panel! The clouding issues of the old panel is a worrisome aspect for sure.

Leo

Re: 46-inch BeoVision 10-46 coming

9 LEE — Tue, 30 Mar 2010 17:46:37 GMT

Technical specifications

DESIGNER	David Lewis
DIMENSIONS (W x H x D)/ WEIGHT	113.9cm x 103.5cm x 6.4cm (6.9cm on wall bracket)/52.5kg
COLOUR(S)	Cabinet: black, white Frame: silver Front cover: black, blue, dark grey, silver, orange, white
CONTRAST SCREEN	Yes, with optional anti-reflection coating on both sides
POWER CONSUMPTION	230VAC typical: 147W/Networked standby: 0.9W
DIGITAL SURROUND SOUND MODULE	Standard built-in
DOLBY DIGITAL DECODING CAPABILITIES	Dolby Digital 5.1, DTS 5.1, DTS Digital Surround, Neo:6, Pro-Logic ll
SCREEN TYPE	46" 16:9 TFT LCD edge-type LED backlight, glare surface and low reflection coating, display colours 1.07 billion
RESOLUTION	1920 x 1080 pixels (full HD)
REFRESH RATE	200Hz/240Hz
MOTION PICTURE IMPROVEMENT	Adaptive film judder compensation
LOUDSPEAKER	Integrated stereo loudspeaker (centre loudspeaker if surround sound setup)
CABINET PRINCIPLE	Bass reflex
WOOFER	100 mm/4"
MIDRANGE	50 mm/2" full range type
TWEETER	19 mm/3/4 " dome type
CABINET VOLUME	1.8 litres
ACCESSORIES	Motorised floor stand (silver) Wall bracket (silver) Cable cover, 600mm (silver) Cable cover, 1140mm (silver) Cabinet (black, white)
REMOTE CONTROL	Beo4 or Beo5

Re: 46-inch BeoVision 10-46 coming

KMA — Tue, 30 Mar 2010 17:16:02 GMT

moxxey:

Chrisreunion:

...due to technological progress.

That's a bit worrying. Sounds like the reduced the LED count to save money, citing 'technological progress' as an excuse

From the B&O Press Release, regarding the new panel:

"The LCD panel inside offers the latest in edge-type LED technology with the LEDs placed at two sides only – top and bottom of the panel – as the efficiency of the LEDs has improved significantly and this optimises the picture uniformity."

I was told yesterday that the new panel (the latest evolution from Samsung) effectively eradicates visible backlight clouding issues some BeoVision 10s (such as mine) have suffered from, hence the mention of the optimized picture uniformity, I suspect. The new panel will also be implemented in the 40" model. So it is in fact a slight improvement, and not cutting costs or anything.

This is good news, and I welcome the BeoVision 10 with the new panel-type all the way to my home. I've been offered a very kind exchange solution by my dealer. Deliveries start in the summer, and I look forward to that.

In the meanwhile, for me it's time to buy the BeoLab 11, which will be available shortly.

Re: 46-inch BeoVision 10-46 coming

Clakke — Tue, 30 Mar 2010 16:07:00 GMT

sorenfelden:

Nobody ever promised "reasonable pricing" - B&O will charge what they believe customers are able and willing to pay. o)

Absolutely correct. If I intended to pay these amounts for a TV, I would expect the TV to be able to tidy our kitchen, bathrooms and the childrens rooms .

Good evening

Clakke

Re: 46-inch BeoVision 10-46 coming

TripEnglish — Tue, 30 Mar 2010 13:49:51 GMT

moxxey:

Chrisreunion:

...due to technological progress.

That's a bit worrying. Sounds like the reduced the LED count to save money, citing 'technological progress' as an excuse

It's actually to meet power consumption guidelines in its bracket or something like that. It's not so much a technical upgrade or downgrade. The user won't be able to tell the difference.

Re: 46-inch BeoVision 10-46 coming

moxxey — Tue, 30 Mar 2010 12:55:51 GMT

Chrisreunion:

...due to technological progress.

That's a bit worrying. Sounds like the reduced the LED count to save money, citing 'technological progress' as an excuse

Re: 46-inch BeoVision 10-46 coming

moxxey — Tue, 30 Mar 2010 12:54:06 GMT

sorenfelden:

B&O will charge what they believe customers are able and willing to pay. o)

A fair comment. Prices are based on demand, not supply. However much people moan on this board (about B&O prices, in 2010), there is enough demand to match their SRPs. If the demand dropped, over a sustained period of time, the prices of the products would reduce, too. If B&O know they can get these prices from their customers, they will.

I was in a B&O store the other day and someone walked in off the street, spent some time looking at the BV7-55 v BV9, then bought the entire thing on his credit card, without hesitation. This is the customer base that B&O go after. The same generation that made oodles of cash from buying flats at £45,000 before 1995, and have gone on to sell their property at 4x the original cost, in 2009. Believe me, there are more of these people in the UK, than you think!

I think the BV10-46 is a 'fair' price, by B&O standards, at £7200 (hoping that price includes the stand!). I'm seriously thinking of trading my always-problematic BV7-40 in against a BV10-46, soon. Yes, it's a downgrade and I'll need to pay an 'upgrade' fee, but I'm tempted.

Re: 46-inch BeoVision 10-46 coming

Chrisreunion — Tue, 30 Mar 2010 08:17:09 GMT

As per the official press release, the LED backlighting is no more "full edge", but only top & bottom due to technological progress.

Re: 46-inch BeoVision 10-46 coming

johnnielse — Tue, 30 Mar 2010 06:13:48 GMT

B&O has also changed something regarding the LED backlight I was told. I guess we know for sure on the 14th of April.

Re: 46-inch BeoVision 10-46 coming

Puncher — Tue, 30 Mar 2010 05:14:46 GMT

This is not my usual role but the screen is ~32% larger by area!

According to the MRP listed on Whathifi site the Samsung 46" is £1930 while the 40" is £1390 - a 39% difference.

Re: 46-inch BeoVision 10-46 coming

sorenfelden — Tue, 30 Mar 2010 04:57:31 GMT

Nobody ever promised "reasonable pricing" - B&O will charge what they believe customers are able and willing to pay. o)

Re: 46-inch BeoVision 10-46 coming

LifeStyle — Tue, 30 Mar 2010 04:48:16 GMT

So 2400 € for 6 inches and white back instead of a black one....... is this really "reasonable pricing"....?

Re: 46-inch BeoVision 10-46 coming

Peter — Tue, 30 Mar 2010 03:14:20 GMT

I have been told that the loudspeaker chamber is unchanged.

Re: 46-inch BeoVision 10-46 coming

Puncher — Tue, 30 Mar 2010 03:08:22 GMT

Is there any improvement in bass response due to the size increase?