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Re: Socket options with Masterlink, Powerlink and Ethernet

marcus_m — Sat, 04 Aug 2007 03:13:01 GMT

Ralf,

don't connect an ethernet hub there!!! I'm not sure what will be damaged!!

I separated the ML_over_Ethernet cables from the Computer network patch panel and used a plastic installation box for normal light wiring. For connecting the single wires I used WAGO 243-208 (look at reichelt.de). For the shielding a WAGO 222-415 was used. Very simple but working good :)

What about your self-made cables?

Marcus

Re: Socket options with Masterlink, Powerlink and Ethernet

kallasr — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 16:27:05 GMT

Marcus,

what kind of "hub" do you use?

Have a look at my question http://forum.beoworld.org/forums/thread/36512.aspx

Ralf

Re: Socket options with Masterlink, Powerlink and Ethernet

marcus_m — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 02:42:04 GMT

Ralf, have a look in the ML-Handbook, there is also the Lexicon system mentioned. But if you crimp the Ethernet plugs directly on the ML cable it looks as clean :)

Marcus

Re: Socket options with Masterlink, Powerlink and Ethernet

kallasr — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 01:40:43 GMT

I didn't but that sound interesting. Can you post a link (or two)?

Thanks

Ralf

Re: Socket options with Masterlink, Powerlink and Ethernet

Frank Rizzo — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 18:22:30 GMT

Anyone tried the off the shelf Lexicom ends with CAT 6 STP to Powerlink or Masterlink in a system???

Thanks,k

Re: Socket options with Masterlink, Powerlink and Ethernet

Frank Rizzo — Wed, 01 Aug 2007 17:58:11 GMT

1 option is to cut your powerlink, splice it in like you said...than run that through a wall plate for a TV coax.....the round hole...it's not AS clean..but you could try it...

I'm going with the super clean way...as I just found a cable guy that can do this...

Re: Socket options with Masterlink, Powerlink and Ethernet

kallasr — Wed, 01 Aug 2007 13:15:28 GMT

Hagen, because it just doesn't look as nice.... I did this, it worked, but not very sophisticated. Looks kind of cheap.

Thanks for the idea, though.

Best regards

Ralf

Re: Socket options with Masterlink, Powerlink and Ethernet

Hagen2000 — Wed, 01 Aug 2007 12:34:07 GMT

Hi Ralf, Hi Marcus,

why don´t you just buy a standard ethernet patch cable, cut it into two pieces and then connect it with an open ended ML cable using an ML junction box? This way you won´t have any problems to assemble the RJ45 connector and you get a very reliable connection!

Re: Socket options with Masterlink, Powerlink and Ethernet

marcus_m — Wed, 01 Aug 2007 07:23:16 GMT

Hi Ralf,

unfortunately these connectores will not work. There were the first ones I bought. You also have to drill out the holes but even then they are not working reliable!! With the dimensions you have to be very careful: some talk about section of the copper, some about diameter of the whole wire, some about AWG. But fact is, that the wires of the ML cable are thicker than normal CAT6 or 7 wires :(

Marcus

Re: Socket options with Masterlink, Powerlink and Ethernet

kallasr — Wed, 01 Aug 2007 06:45:33 GMT

Thanks/Danke!

ok - but if I don't want to drill the holes - might HIROSE RJ-45 Stecker TM21 (search for this at www.reichelt.de) be better? It is TM21 (see http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Wire_Gauge) so 0,5 mm possible vs. 0,14/0,09. Am I guessing this right?

Ralf

Re: Socket options with Masterlink, Powerlink and Ethernet

marcus_m — Wed, 01 Aug 2007 06:24:17 GMT

Hi Ralf,

I bought them at Reichelt (www.reichelt.de). Search for STEWART SW. But keep in mind to drill bigger holes for the wires! You will also need a crimp tool if don't already have one.

Good luck,

Marcus

PS: cat5e/cat6 connector and sockets are no problem, as long as they are shielded

Re: Socket options with Masterlink, Powerlink and Ethernet

kallasr — Wed, 01 Aug 2007 03:33:08 GMT

marcus_m:

Only problem is that the wires of the B&O ML cable are too thick for the RJ45 connectors. So you have to use RJ45 connectors where the 8 wires are arranged in two rows.

Marcus,

can you name a producer or shop/article no.? I cannot find detailes on how the wires are arranged...

Thanks in advance

Ralf

PS: By the way, as somebody mentioned this, CAT7 cables are there, just the plugs/wall-mount are CAT5e/6 only (used to be so at least 2 years ago when we wired everything with CAT7 cables and put CAT5e wall sockets).

Re: Socket options with Masterlink, Powerlink and Ethernet

marcus_m — Mon, 02 Jul 2007 01:03:42 GMT

Keith,

cat6 should also be S/STP, so it's ok.

I have just cut the ML sense, the ML handbook says you can/should connect it to the pink wire if you experience problems with video sources.

Marcus

Re: Socket options with Masterlink, Powerlink and Ethernet

Frank Rizzo — Sun, 01 Jul 2007 14:56:40 GMT

Marcus,

Thanks for the help to this point. I contacted the IP people here that i work with. They tell me that CAT 6 STP is available but not CAT 7 yet. (sounds like the CAT 6 STP is ok,?? yes?)

Secondly, The Masterlink Sense....so we just DO NOT connect this to anything???

Thanks again for all your help..

Re: Socket options with Masterlink, Powerlink and Ethernet

marcus_m — Wed, 27 Jun 2007 01:51:11 GMT

Hi Keith,

for powerlink the shielding is even more important, as PL is not a balanced signal as ML is. I used the original B&O PL cable for speaker connections, but from my judgement a cat6 or cat7 should work as well. They are both S/STP cables, main difference is the bandwith of the cable (cat6 usually has 300MHz, cat7 1000MHz). Price difference is pretty low, so I always used the cat7. From wiring point of view, I would suggest to use both wires of the pair for one audio channel to ensure propper shielding, e.g.
green + white/green: left
orange + white/orange: right
blue + white/blue: mute
brown + white/brown + shield: ground

Has any other forum member experience with PL over cat7?

Marcus