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Re: Buttonless remote

tournedos — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 04:47:10 GMT

Bikkel:

To come back to habits, the Bikkel consept goes in a way back to the past. The old fashioned volume control was just a dial. In a way i bring the dial back with the only difference that it is now made remote. This characteristic lowers the learning curve.

I do particularly like that part of the idea. B&O tried something similar with the MCP5500-7000 and it's great in principle, but in practice the volume just doesn't follow the ring well enough, probably because the two-way communication reserves too much of the airspace.

Good luck with the project!

Re: Buttonless remote

Bikkel — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 07:34:55 GMT

Thank you all for the comments.

To come back to habits, the Bikkel consept goes in a way back to the past. The old fashioned volume control was just a dial. In a way i bring the dial back with the only difference that it is now made remote. This characteristic lowers the learning curve.

I am not a manufacturer so i try to sell the idea as an invention to an established company.

Re: Buttonless remote

Bikkel — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 07:28:39 GMT

It is a first prototype. Some later additions are not shown. For example i added basic handwrite recognition. So in a way you could select any equipment/command by just writing it.

Re: Buttonless remote

Bikkel — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 07:24:50 GMT

If you look at the first part of the clip (with display), you will see that you can operate it without table (in hand as well).

Re: Buttonless remote

beocool — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 03:49:01 GMT

bayerische:

TripEnglish:

burantek:

bayerische:

1 reach for the Bikkel

2 swivel it around

3 let go of the Bikkel

That is just about the funniest thing I have read in ...oh... 6 months! Thanks Andreas.

How did I scroll past that one!?

"Let go of the Bikkel" is going to be my new mantra!

Hey guys, if you are happy, I'm happy!

Very funny, indeed! About the first thing I read this morning, and Andreas, you already made my day! @ Trip, your signature is also very cool!

Re: Buttonless remote

danezro — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 01:52:43 GMT

My avatar is the concept buttonless remote

Re: Buttonless remote

burantek — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 21:41:19 GMT

bayerische:

Hey guys, if you are happy, I'm happy!

Quit swiveling your Bikkel! ...you'll go blind!

Back to the OP: Is this the first prototype? I look forward to seeing your project progress!

Re: Buttonless remote

bayerische — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 21:25:34 GMT

TripEnglish:

burantek:

bayerische:

1 reach for the Bikkel

2 swivel it around

3 let go of the Bikkel

That is just about the funniest thing I have read in ...oh... 6 months! Thanks Andreas.

How did I scroll past that one!?

"Let go of the Bikkel" is going to be my new mantra!

Hey guys, if you are happy, I'm happy!

Re: Buttonless remote

TripEnglish — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 19:48:09 GMT

burantek:

bayerische:

1 reach for the Bikkel

2 swivel it around

3 let go of the Bikkel

That is just about the funniest thing I have read in ...oh... 6 months! Thanks Andreas.

How did I scroll past that one!?

"Let go of the Bikkel" is going to be my new mantra!

Re: Buttonless remote

burantek — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 19:02:44 GMT

bayerische:

1 reach for the Bikkel

2 swivel it around

3 let go of the Bikkel

That is just about the funniest thing I have read in ...oh... 6 months! Thanks Andreas.

Re: Buttonless remote

Stonk — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 16:52:55 GMT

I love any new approach to an everyday object to make our lives easy. However, unless I misunderstood the Bikkle, I understand you have to use it on a flat surface. That means that when ever I want to change tracks, adjust volume etc. I have to lean forward to operate it. You are in effect tied to the coffee table or desk.

A remote should be just that - able to change volumes, channels and tracks from the comfort of your armchair and not have to lean forward each time.

Great idea though.

Re: Buttonless remote

The_Beonic_Man — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 16:38:27 GMT

Nice job actually, I like it.

Re: Buttonless remote

TripEnglish — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 15:31:07 GMT

bayerische:

If we want to make our Beogear more user friendly, "thinking out of the box" shouldn't start with the remote.

I'm going to defend Bikkel one more time and then he's on his own!

Personally I think that the interface (remote in this case) is exactly where you start. Start being the operative word. The way a person interacts should drive the design and if we can reduce the buttons on the remote where operations are complex and resource intensive (I'm using the term "intensive" relatively!) to the screen where the interface can be laid out more intuitively than that should be the direction. Bayerische is right to cite Apple's approach in making the button essentially an up/down/left/right/go affair and relegating other navigation to the screen where the interface requires fewer compromises.

All that being said, if this was presented at my university where I studied interface design, it would be torn limb from limb in the crit phase, but the approach is admirable and one that is seldom undertaken. To throw away the "legacy" components of a product and build it from scratch as though the idea was just conceived is sometimes a worthwhile undertaking and will always find a niche market of individuals who are open to a truly unique use experience.

Re: Buttonless remote

stefan — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 14:52:28 GMT

I don`t even have to pick up my Beo4/5, BL1000/5000/7000. It is possible to control all Beo devices even if your remote is located on the table, sofa, or in the wall holder. You don`t have to point it to the device.

I think, the main problem is that you do not have any experiences with Beo. If you had, you knew, why Beo users can`t be impressed by the Bikkel remote - sorry.

Stefan

Re: Buttonless remote

bayerische — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 14:39:54 GMT

Bikkel:

If you rely on mussle memory to memorise how to operate it you must have practised a lot. What a waist.

Of course a remote is often used, how could your Bikkel change the fact that I want to turn the volume down of my TV during commercials?

Waste of what?