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Re: Beocenter 9000 with Beogram 7000??

joeyboygolf — Fri, 02 Oct 2009 15:19:28 GMT

OK So that is way more than just a service. Picking it up from you (and dropping off after?) is worth quite a bit and makes their charge quite reasonable.

Beware though, if the lack of sound in one channel problem is down to a problem with the mute relay, you could be looking at another hour or so to fit a replacement.

Re: Beocenter 9000 with Beogram 7000??

rgs218 — Fri, 02 Oct 2009 14:23:53 GMT

Well that was to completely eradicate the scraping, sort out the arm so that it drops down in the right place, and fix the lack of sound through the left channel, and to re-fit a B&O cable. Also they'll pick it up from me for no extra charge which saves me petrol costs of driving it somewhere. The quote was based on about 2 hours labour.

Didn't seem cheap to me, but also didn't seem too outrageous. However if someone knows of a cheaper solution, please let me know! Or should I just not bother getting it fixed and sell it now??

Re: Beocenter 9000 with Beogram 7000??

joeyboygolf — Fri, 02 Oct 2009 14:09:14 GMT

Diabolical!!!!

What will they do for £120????? plus parts !!!!!!

Re: Beocenter 9000 with Beogram 7000??

rgs218 — Fri, 02 Oct 2009 07:42:18 GMT

I think I'll leave it to the proffesionals! B&O in Newcastle actually claim they can service it and have quoted me approx £120 as long as no new parts are needed. Does that seem reasonable or does anyone know of anyone in my area who could do it cheaper?

Also, as this isn't going to be easily made compatible with my Beocenter 9000, I might just sell it. If I do decide to do that, is it likely to be more economical to pay to have it serviced and sell it as fully working, or just sell it as is?

Re: Beocenter 9000 with Beogram 7000??

Dillen — Fri, 02 Oct 2009 07:00:42 GMT

Well, the decision is of course yours but if you have located the adjustment you can easily see what can go wrong and how ugly it can get.
Try rotating the little wheel ever so gently, don't use too much force. If you can do it using only "controlled force", you can
do it right yourself.

Martin

Re: Beocenter 9000 with Beogram 7000??

rgs218 — Fri, 02 Oct 2009 06:56:05 GMT

BTW should have said I'm in NE UK.

Re: Beocenter 9000 with Beogram 7000??

rgs218 — Fri, 02 Oct 2009 06:53:34 GMT

Well I've located the relevant parts and it looks fairly clear what needs to be done to sort it, but I think I'll take your advice Martin and leave it alone in case I end up doing the wrong thing.

I would like to try and get it serviced properly but the problem is finding someone who will do it. I'm assuming it's too old for a B&O dealer to work on, and the only person I know of who could do it lives the other end of the country from where I am. Anyone got any recommendations?

Re: Beocenter 9000 with Beogram 7000??

Dillen — Fri, 02 Oct 2009 06:36:32 GMT

The adjustment is inside the Beogram and I've seen cases where owners broke little plastic holders and/or other pieces of the mechanisms
in an attempt to get it right.
I can point you to it but - and please don't get me wrong - I really wouldn't like seeing you do something wrong in this Beogram so
I more or less feel like pointing you towards an experienced repairer instead.
It won't be a costly thing so long as nothing breaks or gets misaligned.

Martin

Re: Beocenter 9000 with Beogram 7000??

rgs218 — Fri, 02 Oct 2009 04:52:07 GMT

OK, I've managed to pretty much eradicate the scraping with the platter at a normal looking height.

Now the arm - I've found the bit in the manual that explains how to adjust this, but I'm not sure where the parts shown on the diagram are to be found, or how to get to them - can anyone point me in the right direction?

Re: Beocenter 9000 with Beogram 7000??

joeyboygolf — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:40:25 GMT

Correct, too high and will look a bit ugly.

At that height the arm carriage could be scraping on the underside of the deck which would explain the noise on starting/stopping the record.

The persistant scraping that I had was 75% into the record and was the arm drive wheel scraping on the sub platter.

Is the platter running flat or does it wobble up and down??

Re: Beocenter 9000 with Beogram 7000??

rgs218 — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:07:05 GMT

OK, I've managed to largely eradicate the scraping, but to do so I've had to raise the platter up quite a bit - it's more like 5mm above the surround, and it doesn't really look right, plus there is still a bit of scraping when you start and stop the record.

Graham I'd be interested to hear what your other source is, just in case!

Re: Beocenter 9000 with Beogram 7000??

joeyboygolf — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 09:45:10 GMT

With a record on the deck and the carriage moved to the centre of the turntable you adjust for a 3mm gap between the record and the turntable surround.

The figure is not set in stone but you should not need to be very far off that.

Let me know if you still get the noise as there is another source of scraping that I discovered quite recently!!!

Re: Beocenter 9000 with Beogram 7000??

tournedos — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 09:27:14 GMT

I believe this means how much of the side of the platter you should see above... ummh... the part of the deck that doesn't rotate

I never bothered to measure, just adjusted the platter level, and high enough that nothing scrapes. Had to do this in both of the this series decks that I have - I guess the springs sag with time.

Re: Beocenter 9000 with Beogram 7000??

rgs218 — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 09:16:16 GMT

Thanks Martin. I don't think that problem 3 is the cartridge because I was using the MMC4 from my BG5000 which I know works fine on that so must be something else.

I've been trying to sort the scraping by adjusting the platter height as suggested and it seems to be improving with trial and error, but can someone help me with this line from the service manual: "Adjust with the screws L until the distance from the top plate to the topside of the turntable is 2.5 - 3 mm as measured with the carrier pushed in the direction of the centre". As in what exactly has to be 2.5mm from what?

Re: Beocenter 9000 with Beogram 7000??

Dillen — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 05:57:16 GMT

1. Platter height adjustment (mentioned in the service manual) or damaged main bearing or warped (platter and/or) subplatter or
something not sitting correctly inside.

2. Adjustment of the carriage, it's a string arrangement and the adjusting procedure is mentioned in the servicemanual.

3. Probably a dead MMC cartridge. Try another cartridge or try the cartridge on another Beogram.
Alternatively, if you only have that one cartridge; Try dismounting, rotating and mounting it again upside
down, touch the needle tip very gently with your finger and listen for
noise (while "playing" a record). If the silence now moved to the other channel the cartridge is defective.
If the dead channel is still the same, the fault is not with the cartridge but something else.

I mentioned the MCP (Master Control Panel) earlier in relation to the operation of a datalink product that was not
currently the active one, of course this does not apply to your Beocenter, it was merely to shed light on the functionality issue.

Martin