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Re: Not bad and it cost nothing to produce apparently, just hard work!!

The Plumber — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 10:18:42 GMT

Mika, I knew someone would notice this but (i may be wrong, i normally am) i thought it was the other way around.

The one time i looked at that site i seen the random thing and then a few days later it was mentioned on here. Im not saying anything is wrong with taking a good idea and using it.
To be fair the beophile site is pointless realy when we've got Beoworld.

Re: Not bad and it cost nothing to produce apparently, just hard work!!

tournedos — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 09:31:08 GMT

I just noticed that beophile.com has added a "random pages" feature. Wonder where that idea came from?

Re: Not bad and it cost nothing to produce apparently, just hard work!!

blue2th — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 06:04:50 GMT

i recall reading at the beocollectors site that it was going to discontinue and beophile was going to be run from 1 July.

i gather the beocollectors site had some affiliation to the beophile and a "handover"

Re: Not bad and it cost nothing to produce apparently, just hard work!!

vikinger — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 03:43:48 GMT

Puncher:

jldmelb:

Although it is said there is nothing wrong with this, what about from an ethical point of view?

Selling a site, then stealing the content of that site to start another site of the same ilk sounds dodgy to me...

Exactly!

It's common practice when someone sells an organisation/ company that there is an agreement not to re-enter that market for a fixed period of so many years etc. I wonder whether the transfer of Beoworld had such an agreement?

Having said that there would be nothing to stop the previous owner keeping a copy of the website html from the days of his ownership and then updating it under another name unless excluded by an agreement or outright sale of copyright including the html code. I am not an expert in html but it would be interesting if someone compared the sites looking for historically linked common html code use.

Graham

Re: Not bad and it cost nothing to produce apparently, just hard work!!

Puncher — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 03:22:36 GMT

jldmelb:

Although it is said there is nothing wrong with this, what about from an ethical point of view?

Selling a site, then stealing the content of that site to start another site of the same ilk sounds dodgy to me...

Exactly!

Re: Not bad and it cost nothing to produce apparently, just hard work!!

Jonathan — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 02:44:35 GMT

Although it is said there is nothing wrong with this, what about from an ethical point of view?

Selling a site, then stealing the content of that site to start another site of the same ilk sounds dodgy to me...

Re: Not bad and it cost nothing to produce apparently, just hard work!!

Puncher — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 02:40:33 GMT

KingOfSnake:

Surely as the genesis of Beoworld was the brainchild of Steve James and it is his early work and ownership that this site greatly benefits from - if the rumours are true and he is behind this site then it should be applauded. There is nothing controversial on there, are you suggesting that all on Beoworld is totally original and down to the new owner and the Moderators? I think not.

On the other hand, he sold the site, presumably along with the copyright to all that was within. To do some superficial rewrites and resurrect the site he sold is not only pointless but also very bad form, maybe even in direct contradiction of the terms of the sale to which he agreed.

The choice to sell and give up his "brainchild" was his - he did, end of story! I don't see what he hopes to achieve from this new site, other than mischief.

I for one won't be supporting it.

Re: Not bad and it cost nothing to produce apparently, just hard work!!

KingOfSnake — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 02:02:33 GMT

Surely as the genesis of Beoworld was the brainchild of Steve James and it is his early work and ownership that this site greatly benefits from - if the rumours are true and he is behind this site then it should be applauded. There is nothing controversial on there, are you suggesting that all on Beoworld is totally original and down to the new owner and the Moderators? I think not.

Re: Not bad and it cost nothing to produce apparently, just hard work!!

mobeyone — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:38:56 GMT

Boring, nothing new to me and I daresay that any news posted on Beoworld will be posted almost immediately on there.... and claim to be a leading and... argh cant be bothered.

Re: Not bad and it cost nothing to produce apparently, just hard work!!

henrik — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:31:28 GMT

k984942:
Am I missing something?

Apart from the plagerism of members' articles, surely we should all be happy that there's another B&O resource online?

I agree, I think it's good with more beo-sites.

Regarding your first question: Steve, who according to some is the man behind the new site (and I think they're right, it looks lika a Steve-site), was the creator and owner of "old" Beoworld.

Re: Not bad and it cost nothing to produce apparently, just hard work!!

Medogsfat — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 12:35:40 GMT

Be careful when going to www.beophile.com as you may find your PC has picked up some "datamining" spyware without you knowing it.

Most anti-spyware software will not pick these up on the fly, so you have to run a PC scan to remove them with products such as AVG or PC doctor or similar.

The following data mining spyware may find itself installed on your PC normally via a cookie

Aldmt

Serving-sys

Doubleclick

Tradedoubler

Mediaplex

You must do an actual scan to pick them up, AVG version 8.0 and above has anti-spyware detection, but cannot pick it up "on the fly" i.e. in normal running mode.

So, if you have been to the site, run the scan which depending on how much you have on your PC could take a long time.

Chris.

Re: Not bad and it cost nothing to produce apparently, just hard work!!

wirralsimon — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 05:30:07 GMT

I have no problem with someone setting up another B&O fan site, but I am left confused by the whole thing.

When people set up fan sites (of whatever type) they are usually very keen to say who they are and why they created the site.

Setting a site up and going to great lengths to avoid stating who you are and where you come from (to the point of hiding domain registration information) seems a little perverse to me to the extent I am not really sure what the point of the site is.

Simon

Re: Not bad and it cost nothing to produce apparently, just hard work!!

k984942 — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 05:12:43 GMT

Am I missing something?

Apart from the plagerism of members' articles, surely we should all be happy that there's another B&O resource online?

Re: Not bad and it cost nothing to produce apparently, just hard work!!

tournedos — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 02:22:08 GMT

Dillen:

This page http://www.aboutus.org/BeOpHile.com gives the owner as Enom Inc.
A little google work brings up this page full of interesting reading, if it is indeed Steve behind this, he's ended up in bad company
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/256/RipOff0256553.htm
Speaks for itself, same goes for those related domain names ...

These aren't really related - Enom is just another domain registrar, which allows for privacy proxy i.e hides the real registrant from the whois information.

As to the site, I don't know... I'll probably follow it, but I hope they (he) won't embarrass themselves by trying to set up a forum.

Re: Not bad and it cost nothing to produce apparently, just hard work!!

Dillen — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 01:59:05 GMT

I agree that it looks very much like Steve and there is a french member on the dying Yahoo group Beolist announcing it
in extremely positive words, but I'm not sure;

This page http://www.aboutus.org/BeOpHile.com gives the owner as Enom Inc.
A little google work brings up this page full of interesting reading, if it is indeed Steve behind this, he's ended up in bad company
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/256/RipOff0256553.htm
Speaks for itself, same goes for those related domain names ...

Hmm...
Sorry but

Martin