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Re: World's recession and B&O

bayerische — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 16:39:09 GMT

petz:

Don't tell me that B&O can't produce their stuff in Europe, even core Europe i.e. high wage countries, with the prices they're charging. I won't for sure consider buying any high priced item produced in China.

If we accept this, we kill our jobs ourselves!

There should be a limit to human stupidity and the current crisis is exactly reflecting human greed of never enough!

You are absolutely right Petz.

Re: World's recession and B&O

TWG — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 16:14:22 GMT

petz:

Don't tell me that B&O can't produce their stuff in Europe, even core Europe i.e. high wage countries, with the prices they're charging. I won't for sure consider buying any high priced item produced in China.

If we accept this, we kill our jobs ourselves!

There should be a limit to human stupidity and the current crisis is exactly reflecting human greed of never enough!

100% agree!
B&O was able to produce their goods for >50 years in Denmark and suddenly it's not possible any more? Managers think we are stupid and the stock quote loss of B&O is the answer of their customers for moving some production to eastern Europe and eventualy China.
The quality is lower and customers DEMAND the original B&O quality of the item "Made in Denmark".

There are enough hifi companies that produces their stuff in their home countries ...
Get rid of those managers and go back to your roots and you will survive :-)

Re: World's recession and B&O

petz — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 15:59:27 GMT

Don't tell me that B&O can't produce their stuff in Europe, even core Europe i.e. high wage countries, with the prices they're charging. I won't for sure consider buying any high priced item produced in China.

If we accept this, we kill our jobs ourselves!

There should be a limit to human stupidity and the current crisis is exactly reflecting human greed of never enough!

Re: World's recession and B&O

darioazul — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:17:27 GMT

Dear All:

It would not surprise me if we start seeing more B&O products being produced outside Denmark. Already, high end European retailers such Louis Vuitton are making shoes, bags, and more in China. Let's face it, China can & does built high end stuff. It also provides flexibility that, for example, Italian manufactures cannot or do not in a timely fashion.

B&W is producing speakers in China, not their flagship. It built its own factory in China & it's managed by them. The wages of those Chinese workers are higher. B&O may have to go more to Eastern Europe to survive this economic downturn. Many high end retailers are doing their bulk of production in China but keeping it very quiet.

Some manufactures are doing just minor 'finishing' work in their native countries to get the label made in Italy, etc. B&O may have to do the same. Ultimately, companies are multinationals and they will do whatever it takes to survive. As the consumers, we have to decide to support them or not. If the company continues to deliver innovative, high quality products does it matter if it was made in Denmark or China or Eastern Europe?

It appeals to our sense of exclusivity when we see it was made in the old world, even perhaps our 'snob' factor. Times they're changing.

Dario

Re: World's recession and B&O

PhilLondon — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:09:24 GMT

jk1002:
I don't see them advertising the BM as a stand alone product or carrying any kind of functionality.

That is because you have not looked here: http://www.bang-olufsen.com/beomaster5

They even mention the Beolink feature that does not yet work.

Re: World's recession and B&O

jk1002 — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:04:21 GMT

>>Having to press 1000 times on the Up Arrow to get to my 1000th song when using my remote is not what I call ready.<<

That is a prime example for increased complexity. If they would have just deactivated the Beomedia to TV connection, that would have simplified a lot. They should have focused on the BS5 first. Then a 2 way remote which is supposed to be in the pipe. With a 2 way , the TV function becomes neglect-able for music playing. In the end the BS5 is a music product, not video or pictures. Looking at it, I think they were trying to do too much even though I have to give them that they are selling the BS5 with the BM as a black box. I don't see them advertising the BM as a stand alone product or carrying any kind of functionality.

Actually I take that back, it does show up now on their page. Just checked again.

Cheers

Re: World's recession and B&O

PhilLondon — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 14:09:34 GMT

jk1002:
I think define ready

Having to press 1000 times on the Up Arrow to get to my 1000th song when using my remote is not what I call ready.

Re: World's recession and B&O

koning — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 14:03:01 GMT

Dude1:

It was only "half finished" for the showrooms to demonstrate as considerable interest within the UK and Europe meant that showrooms were under pressure to show the product.

Of course, it has been designed as an upgradeable software product, so when it will be "finished" depends when technology is to the point that there are no more upgradeable requirements.

"half finished" for the showrooms??!!

What about the the linkrooms? Still no solution!

you can't see what's playing in a linkroom.

Shame Half finished for sure

Re: World's recession and B&O

jk1002 — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 11:17:53 GMT

I think define ready. With the increased complexity (compare a BS 5 to an old FM radio) I think what features should be there and which not can be argued. The potential is so huge but at the same time you have to stay within a certain budget and while technically you can make everybody happy, financially you can't. They have to somehow figure out how to make "updates" attractive enough for a customer that he is willing to pay a bit for it, without getting him upset. In the early stages of a product this is quiet difficult I would think ....

Re: World's recession and B&O

PhilLondon — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 10:49:38 GMT

Dude1:
It was only "half finished" for the showrooms to demonstrate as considerable interest within the UK and Europe meant that showrooms were under pressure to show the product.

The software that is now on machine that are sold to the public is stable but lack features that are normally part of all B&O products, like being able to be used from link rooms.

Re: World's recession and B&O

Xseries — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 10:39:03 GMT

Better to wait and release something that is working than send it out, to meet customer demand, when it is not ready!

Some 20 years ago when talking with my local ealer he rued the day that there were no longer entry level systems. He discoverd that 10-20% of people would come back and upgrade - a useful source of potential customers. Now with some TVs costing £000s where are the entry level customers?

Brian

Re: World's recession and B&O

Dude1 — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 10:29:15 GMT

That message is heard loud and clear.

Re: World's recession and B&O

Dude1 — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 10:28:32 GMT

It was only "half finished" for the showrooms to demonstrate as considerable interest within the UK and Europe meant that showrooms were under pressure to show the product.

Of course, it has been designed as an upgradeable software product, so when it will be "finished" depends when technology is to the point that there are no more upgradeable requirements.

Re: World's recession and B&O

koning — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 10:11:56 GMT

Dude1:

Bang is busy putting its resources to good use. It will deliver some clever products very soon, ones that have been in the pipeline before Kalle took the helm. Kalle will also ensure new products will be technically superior in the future, Bang learnt here.

The company is becoming more lean and focused, I think thats all you can do in these times.

Yeah, a Half finished beosound 5!!

That 's not the way to go.

Re: World's recession and B&O

TWG — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 09:59:01 GMT

Dude1:

Bang is busy putting its resources to good use. It will deliver some clever products very soon, ones that have been in the pipeline before Kalle took the helm. Kalle will also ensure new products will be technically superior in the future, Bang learnt here.

The company is becoming more lean and focused, I think thats all you can do in these times.

I strongly hope that they ensure their products become superior in terms of quality, too!

"Made in China" on the B&O products make the customers run away ;-)