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If you have any questions about anything Bang &amp;amp; Olufsen related - please ask. If you have anything to say - please tell!</description><dc:language>en</dc:language><generator>CommunityServer 2008 SP2 (Build: 31104.93)</generator><item><title>Re: BL8000's - I'm on a budget!</title><link>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/thread/176853.aspx</link><pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 07:33:33 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">41a2a90c-3a1e-4bd3-b144-3883695a7f38:176853</guid><dc:creator>nmartin771</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/thread/176853.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=13&amp;PostID=176853</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/Themes/beotheme1/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt; &lt;strong&gt;Dave:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BL4000 sound &lt;i&gt;nothing &lt;/i&gt;like the BC1.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;sorry I didnt unederstand?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You ment better than BC1 or BC1 better than BL4000 ?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sorry english is not my native language ....&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: BL8000's - I'm on a budget!</title><link>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/thread/176849.aspx</link><pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 07:26:07 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">41a2a90c-3a1e-4bd3-b144-3883695a7f38:176849</guid><dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/thread/176849.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=13&amp;PostID=176849</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;BL4000 sound &lt;i&gt;nothing &lt;/i&gt;like the BC1.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: BL8000's - I'm on a budget!</title><link>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/thread/176835.aspx</link><pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 06:53:16 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">41a2a90c-3a1e-4bd3-b144-3883695a7f38:176835</guid><dc:creator>nmartin771</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/thread/176835.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=13&amp;PostID=176835</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/Themes/beotheme1/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt; &lt;strong&gt;Dave:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/Themes/beotheme1/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt; &lt;strong&gt;thavn:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hello!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The bass in the Avant is OK, but it is no sub. I think the speaker is more or less like BL4000, so no more bass than the 8000.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I used to have BL6000 connected to a KEF sub and the Avant, and it worked very well, escpecially music.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BL8000&amp;#39;s have less bass sound than BL4000 and AVANT. If you like warm sound stay away from 8000&amp;#39;s, they have a very clean and light sound and imho really need a sub&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Dave I need to disagree with you on this issue. Bl8000 IMO just sound different, not less bass. For me they sound really warm, only when you go loud impression is that you need more bass this is because they are really loud and in that case on some type of music you need more deep bass.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For me adding sub would be good only for movies and surround setup.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BTW speakers on BC1 are the same speakers like in BL4000, and my BC1 sound just fantastic, but with BL8000..... uh .... magic &lt;img src="http://forum.beoworld.org/emoticons/05.gif" alt="Wink" /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: BL8000's - I'm on a budget!</title><link>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/thread/176831.aspx</link><pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 06:38:19 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">41a2a90c-3a1e-4bd3-b144-3883695a7f38:176831</guid><dc:creator>nmartin771</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/thread/176831.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=13&amp;PostID=176831</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/Themes/beotheme1/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt; &lt;strong&gt;Dave:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What a dodgy dealer!! Get some speakers from Lifestyle AV you can trust them!&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#39;m agree with Dave. Try LifeStyle-av or Iconic-av realy great sevice !&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: BL8000's - I'm on a budget!</title><link>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/thread/176829.aspx</link><pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 06:28:29 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">41a2a90c-3a1e-4bd3-b144-3883695a7f38:176829</guid><dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/thread/176829.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=13&amp;PostID=176829</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;What a dodgy dealer!! Get some speakers from Lifestyle AV you can trust them!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: BL8000's - I'm on a budget!</title><link>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/thread/176827.aspx</link><pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 06:21:25 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">41a2a90c-3a1e-4bd3-b144-3883695a7f38:176827</guid><dc:creator>Large48</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/thread/176827.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=13&amp;PostID=176827</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;Or buy 4 PentaLabs for less money and crank it up.....&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And then attach an Overture via ML.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#39;s what I did &lt;img src="http://forum.beoworld.org/emoticons/02.gif" alt="Big Smile" /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: BL8000's - I'm on a budget!</title><link>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/thread/176825.aspx</link><pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 06:20:22 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">41a2a90c-3a1e-4bd3-b144-3883695a7f38:176825</guid><dc:creator>k984942</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/thread/176825.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=13&amp;PostID=176825</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;Hi all&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Looks like the deal is off!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;On enquiry the dealer decided to come clean and tell me the 8000&amp;#39;s were in fact 4 years old (not 2008&amp;#39;s) and had some fairly major scuffs to the aluminium (not mint!). Just to add insult to injury, he went on to tell me he would only give a 3 month warranty and would not deliver or courier them to me!!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Needless to say, I&amp;#39;m not going ahead with the purchase! I just can&amp;#39;t believe a dealer would misslead a customer so badly, and not even apologise or offer any explanation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I decided against eBay (and the associated cost savings) because I wanted the customer service, warranty, and trustworthyness of a dealer. Clearly these attributes just aren&amp;#39;t there so I&amp;#39;m not really sure what to do.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#39;m now of the opinion that &amp;#39;let the credit crunch roll on&amp;#39;. Maybe it&amp;#39;ll weed out some of these bad dealers and bring the customer experience back up to what it should be!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: BL8000's - I'm on a budget!</title><link>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/thread/176786.aspx</link><pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 00:07:10 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">41a2a90c-3a1e-4bd3-b144-3883695a7f38:176786</guid><dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/thread/176786.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=13&amp;PostID=176786</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/Themes/beotheme1/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt; &lt;strong&gt;thavn:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hello!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The bass in the Avant is OK, but it is no sub. I think the speaker is more or less like BL4000, so no more bass than the 8000.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I used to have BL6000 connected to a KEF sub and the Avant, and it worked very well, escpecially music.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BL8000&amp;#39;s have less bass sound than BL4000 and AVANT. If you like warm sound stay away from 8000&amp;#39;s, they have a very clean and light sound and imho really need a sub&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: BL8000's - I'm on a budget!</title><link>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/thread/176751.aspx</link><pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 17:17:22 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">41a2a90c-3a1e-4bd3-b144-3883695a7f38:176751</guid><dc:creator>V13WNG</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/thread/176751.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=13&amp;PostID=176751</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;&amp;pound;1900 is a cracking deal on a pair of 2008 ex-demo BeoLab 8000&amp;#39;s. Honestly - pull his arm off!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: BL8000's - I'm on a budget!</title><link>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/thread/176668.aspx</link><pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 14:21:06 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">41a2a90c-3a1e-4bd3-b144-3883695a7f38:176668</guid><dc:creator>thavn</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/thread/176668.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=13&amp;PostID=176668</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;Hello!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The bass in the Avant is OK, but it is no sub. I think the speaker is more or less like BL4000, so no more bass than the 8000.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I used to have BL6000 connected to a KEF sub and the Avant, and it worked very well, escpecially music.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: BL8000's - I'm on a budget!</title><link>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/thread/176551.aspx</link><pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 09:01:06 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">41a2a90c-3a1e-4bd3-b144-3883695a7f38:176551</guid><dc:creator>k984942</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/thread/176551.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=13&amp;PostID=176551</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for all your input guys!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I was almost there with my decision to buy, but now I think I&amp;#39;m there thanks to all of your comments!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I was just wondering if anyone had the answer to my question about whether the Avant will revert to a centre channel only, and if the Avant has a sub that will help fill out the sound (since the 8000&amp;#39;s appear to lack bass)?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: BL8000's - I'm on a budget!</title><link>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/thread/176495.aspx</link><pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:36:58 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">41a2a90c-3a1e-4bd3-b144-3883695a7f38:176495</guid><dc:creator>bayerische</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/thread/176495.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=13&amp;PostID=176495</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;Sounds like a great deal!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;-Go for it.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: BL8000's - I'm on a budget!</title><link>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/thread/176491.aspx</link><pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:13:40 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">41a2a90c-3a1e-4bd3-b144-3883695a7f38:176491</guid><dc:creator>wonderfulelectric</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/thread/176491.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=13&amp;PostID=176491</wfw:commentRss><description>What a bargain! If it doesn&amp;#39;t work for you in the long run, you can either use them in a secondary system or just think of it as owning iconic B&amp;amp;O pieces.&amp;nbsp;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: BL8000's - I'm on a budget!</title><link>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/thread/176466.aspx</link><pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:35:01 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">41a2a90c-3a1e-4bd3-b144-3883695a7f38:176466</guid><dc:creator>KingOfSnake</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/thread/176466.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=13&amp;PostID=176466</wfw:commentRss><description>Personally I would check the serial numbers on those speakers - they should be 20xxxxxx if they are 2008 ex-demos - however if they are sold with a 5 year warranty it doesn&amp;#39;t really matter about age (so long as they are MK2).&amp;nbsp; IMHO.&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: BL8000's - I'm on a budget!</title><link>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/thread/176420.aspx</link><pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 13:46:01 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">41a2a90c-3a1e-4bd3-b144-3883695a7f38:176420</guid><dc:creator>kimhav</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/thread/176420.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>https://archivedforum.beoworld.org:443/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=13&amp;PostID=176420</wfw:commentRss><description>Agree; I would go for the BL8000; looks great and impressing output. For some future more oomph you can always add BeoLab 2.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item></channel></rss>