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Re: BeoVision 7 40" LCD Smearing

moxxey — Tue, 16 Dec 2008 06:57:07 GMT

9 LEE:
My own opinion about LCD is the same as everyones. The Mk1 was garbage for sport, Mk2 better, but they have almost nailed it with the Mk3. I'd say 3-5 years and LCD will be every bit as good as CRT.

Is that 3-5 years for B&O or LCD technology? :) I'd guess the former?

I think the BV7-40 MKIV should be near perfect for my requirements, based on what's been discussed. It should have a 100Mhz updated panel, better refresh rate, Blu-ray player etc.

Now, I can only wish they'll have sorted the TV sw problems by then and we'll be happy..

Re: BeoVision 7 40" LCD Smearing

csmager — Tue, 16 Dec 2008 06:36:37 GMT

100Hz or 200Hz isn't necessary at all. Most CRTs were only 50/60Hz up until quite late in their development, and there was no blurring. The difference was less of a 'flickering'. People strive to get 24fps for their films, which is 24Hz - which is what they're recorded in.

There's no flicker on LCD or Plasma, as they don't scan the screen in the same way. The screen only changes when required.

The issue with LCDs is response time - the amount of time it takes for pixels to change from black to white (or whatever measurement they use - grey to grey, or time to rise). If the response time is too slow, then (for example) as something bright moves across a dark background at speed, then it will leave a blur as the pixels are too slow to change.

Re: BeoVision 7 40" LCD Smearing

9 LEE — Tue, 16 Dec 2008 03:49:01 GMT

scottyltd - get yourself a non-HD BeoVision 5 if you want as near as dammit to CRT without breaking the bank or having to worry about future proofing for now. Use it for 2-3 years whilst you're waiting and sell it for most of what you paid for it.. they are ridiculously cheap now and they really are a fabulous set.

My own opinion about LCD is the same as everyones. The Mk1 was garbage for sport, Mk2 better, but they have almost nailed it with the Mk3. I'd say 3-5 years and LCD will be every bit as good as CRT.

Lee

Re: BeoVision 7 40" LCD Smearing

Flappo The Grate — Tue, 16 Dec 2008 03:45:35 GMT

yes , it's all well and good bno and it's dealers etc blaming lcd technology for the problems on some bno tv's . but there's been 100hz and now 200hz sets for over a year now

you pay a premium price , you expect a premium product , well i do anyway

they desperately need to get the internals up to match the externals

no point in looking so futuristic and high tech if the guts are 3 years behind the rest of the field

tbh THAT'S why bno are in such a predicament imo

it's not just the price , it's the view that their products are all show and not much go , and i'm afraid a lot of the new stuff enforces that prejudice

the bv9 with a recorder that can only record the channel youre watching is quite frankly unforgivable for a £15,000 flagship product , the bv7 40 with an out of date blurry lcd is a bit much and the bv8 with just one hdmi and no built in freeview

no wonder their sets aren't selling

Re: BeoVision 7 40" LCD Smearing

355f — Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:57:17 GMT

timhanna:
Personally, it doesnt bother me much; worse case is that you just have to wait 2 years or so down the line and upgrade the LCD screen (not the TV) for a new one.

Given B&O past record of upgradeability- best of luck with your view!

Re: BeoVision 7 40" LCD Smearing

Dave — Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:40:20 GMT

moxxey:
Alex:
Do you get that on all sources or just on HD or SD? I must admit I've never actually noticed it when watching any BeoVision 7-40 mk3, but I do see some juddering during fast motion.
It happens on both and it's more obvious on HD. It's an LCD issue (and a 50Hz issue). However, it *is* definitely better with the MKIII than previous models, thanks to the BS3. However, even on HD the camera panning and fast-moving ball can cause a smear. It's as if the screen can't refresh quickly enough, thus misses frames to keep up.
I watched football on an old Beovision 1 the other day, through SD. I forgot how good old CRT is, even with an analogue signal. You wouldn't seen any 'smearing' on an Avant.

Until B&o can catch up with their LCD's (don't care how they do it - just do it, it's becoming an embarrassing thing to read), long live the CRT's.

Re: BeoVision 7 40" LCD Smearing

moxxey — Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:27:01 GMT

timhanna:
Personally, it doesnt bother me much; worse case is that you just have to wait 2 years or so down the line and upgrade the LCD screen (not the TV) for a new one.

I'd agree. Doesn't annoy me at all - I'm used to it. Also, it's much better than my old MKI BV7-32. By far.

Re: BeoVision 7 40" LCD Smearing

timhanna — Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:06:27 GMT

Personally, it doesnt bother me much; worse case is that you just have to wait 2 years or so down the line and upgrade the LCD screen (not the TV) for a new one.

Re: BeoVision 7 40" LCD Smearing

moxxey — Mon, 15 Dec 2008 09:56:57 GMT

Alex:
Do you get that on all sources or just on HD or SD? I must admit I've never actually noticed it when watching any BeoVision 7-40 mk3, but I do see some juddering during fast motion.

It happens on both and it's more obvious on HD. It's an LCD issue (and a 50Hz issue). However, it *is* definitely better with the MKIII than previous models, thanks to the BS3. However, even on HD the camera panning and fast-moving ball can cause a smear. It's as if the screen can't refresh quickly enough, thus misses frames to keep up.

I watched football on an old Beovision 1 the other day, through SD. I forgot how good old CRT is, even with an analogue signal. You wouldn't seen any 'smearing' on an Avant.

Re: BeoVision 7 40" LCD Smearing

Alex — Mon, 15 Dec 2008 08:39:39 GMT

moxxey:
Alex:
Check with the dealer whether it was a mk2 or a mk3! The mk2 does smear a little, whilst the mk3 doesn't at all
Yes it does. It's quite clear on fast-moving football, for example. Ok, it's no way near as bad as my old MKI BV7-32, but it definitely does 'smear' slightly. There's a far bit of blur around the ball as the scan can't keep up with the movement.

Do you get that on all sources or just on HD or SD? I must admit I've never actually noticed it when watching any BeoVision 7-40 mk3, but I do see some juddering during fast motion.

Re: BeoVision 7 40" LCD Smearing

Puncher — Mon, 15 Dec 2008 08:14:43 GMT

Is it work mentioning again at this point cheap, plastic TV's with stickers and blue LED's

Re: BeoVision 7 40" LCD Smearing

moxxey — Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:51:56 GMT

Alex:
Check with the dealer whether it was a mk2 or a mk3! The mk2 does smear a little, whilst the mk3 doesn't at all

Yes it does. It's quite clear on fast-moving football, for example. Ok, it's no way near as bad as my old MKI BV7-32, but it definitely does 'smear' slightly. There's a far bit of blur around the ball as the scan can't keep up with the movement.

Re: BeoVision 7 40" LCD Smearing

Alex — Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:24:59 GMT

Check with the dealer whether it was a mk2 or a mk3! The mk2 does smear a little, whilst the mk3 doesn't at all (although there is still a little motion juddering, but it's minimal).

Re: BeoVision 7 40" LCD Smearing

timhanna — Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:01:14 GMT

mhoutman, just wait, dont even touch the BV7-32. full HD isnt a problem i think, its that lonely DVI connection that is a complete joke!

Re: BeoVision 7 40" LCD Smearing

timhanna — Mon, 15 Dec 2008 05:59:28 GMT

Well,

To be honest, I wouldnt want them to constantly be changing anyway! I would be really annoyed if my brand new TV was out of date months after I bought it. If they kept on changing, we would never buy them.

They just need to reach to a stage that they are really really good. With regards to my BV740mk3 its nearly there:

4 HDMI
1080P
Built-In DVD player
DDS 7.1 or whatever

Thats all pretty much future proof for me! I dont need a bluray player on it, Sony invented it so they will do a better job than B+O in implementing it! When I updated my tv from 4.24 to 5.02, it was done under warrenty, but because ive moved to paris, i had to pay 70 EUR for some engineer to come over to my house and install it. Renting out a limo for 2 hours wont cost you that. Imagine what happens when the Bluray standard changes? 70 EUR again and again?

So whats left, the 120Hz screen. INstall or upgrade that, then the BV7, IN MY OPINION, is perfect!