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Re: B&O BlueRay

soundproof — Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:45:10 GMT

wonderfulelectric:
First of all the provider of HD contents will need a mega server which I bet many of the smaller companies can't afford. So really, the only corporations that will benefit from streaming will be those electronic giants. Sad Sad.....

Well, that's not how it works. The movie distributors bought the bittorrent software, and have adapted it for legal movie distribution. There are a variety of server farms to which one can upload content, or a request can be channeled through the provider (MovieGiants, iTunes, etc) to the servers of the issuer. But all of this happens invisibly - on Hulu there are a lot of different providers of content, and all just place their content on their own servers, and hook into the distribution chain they've set up together.

I can hook in with ease - and do remember that YouTube adds 1.5 million hours of programming every four to six months, without any capacity problems. Take a look at the YouTube film An Anthropological Study of YouTube, by Wensch. That's the future.

Movies you download are patched together from a variety of different sources, as with bittorrent. Also, capacity on the net is increasing manyfold, though I'm certain the financial crisis will slow down some of the expansion plans.

As someone stated here, BBC's iPlayer has caused some capacity problems in the UK, but that is also because of the non-bittorrent mode of that distribution.

However, I find that I have quickly adapted to marking movies for download, and then just having them on the harddisk, ready to go. With those I buy it doesn't matter when I then watch them, they're there until I delete them; and with those I rent I have 30 days before they disappear. And when it comes to the podcasts I'm subscribing to these are just automatically added to my playlists, and are ready for viewing/listening whenever I want.

Been quite a while since I watched regular broadcast television for more than five minutes.

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And the net is being moved from net neutrality, to pay as you fly, with privileged transfer speeds for those willing to pay for them.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122929270127905065.html

Even Google is in on this, having been in negotiations with the communications agencies to establish a Google-net for its many net-based services.

Re: B&O BlueRay

wonderfulelectric — Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:24:10 GMT

First of all the provider of HD contents will need a mega server which I bet many of the smaller companies can't afford. So really, the only corporations that will benefit from streaming will be those electronic giants. Sad Sad.....

Re: B&O BlueRay

Alex — Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:18:48 GMT

Puncher:
Alex:

Streamed content isn't going to work for me at all - my internet runs at 0.5mb at the best of times! Some of our neighbours still can't get broadband.
Same here - you have to make the most of it by not downloading cr4p

I'll try and keep my posts as short as possible then shall I?

Re: B&O BlueRay

moxxey — Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:51:41 GMT

Beolab:
It depends of were you live.. I´ve have got 100/100Mbit fibre for about 5 years now, and i live in Stockholm..

But the problem here isn't your broadband, it will be the servers and the bandwidth from each server. Your broadband might be faster than most servers can deliver data.

We have a super-fast commercial-grade server delivering content. That's great if there's only 10 people connected and downloading content. However, if we have 50 people connected, the bandwidth has to be shared with the 50 users.

So, if the server is capable of delivering 1.5Mbit/s, this has to be divided between 50 users.

People 'forget' that they may have super-fast broadband, but the big problem is the capabilities of the servers delivering the content, usage and so on.

Re: B&O BlueRay

soundproof — Mon, 15 Dec 2008 04:26:46 GMT

My internet is quite fast - I have 12-14MB/sec download speeds.

When watching AppleTV, I can begin watching HD-content, with 5.1 dolby sound, after about a minute, with enough buffered to not experience any stops during viewing. Same with HD-podcasts (of which there are many, and all are free.)

But I also use the download possibilities to my laptop, when traveling. Must confess that I haven't rented a DVD in ages, and that I rarely buy movies now.

Then, of course, there's also Hulu.com, which makes tv-series and films available, if you're willing to watch a few commercials. Worth checking out, and amazing. The increased internet speed didn't cost much.

Re: B&O BlueRay

Puncher — Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:53:48 GMT

Alex:

Streamed content isn't going to work for me at all - my internet runs at 0.5mb at the best of times! Some of our neighbours still can't get broadband.

Same here - you have to make the most of it by not downloading cr4p

Re: B&O BlueRay

Beolab — Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:21:14 GMT

Alex:
Streamed content isn't going to work for me at all - my internet runs at 0.5mb at the best of times! Some of our neighbours still can't get broadband.

It depends of were you live.. I´ve have got 100/100Mbit fibre for about 5 years now, and i live in Stockholm..

I can download 300Mb in about 15 seconds ! So the banwith is no problem for us ho live in the big city..

regards

Re: B&O BlueRay

Alex — Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:12:42 GMT

Streamed content isn't going to work for me at all - my internet runs at 0.5mb at the best of times! Some of our neighbours still can't get broadband.

Re: B&O BlueRay

propaganda — Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:30:13 GMT

I think those laid-off auto workers may be at home using up the bandwidth...

Re: B&O BlueRay

Affineur — Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:26:39 GMT

My experience with the movie portion of Apple TV agrees with the following table published by Apple:

Format	Resolution	Audio	Cost	Broadband speed: wait time to start movie⁹
Standard Definition	720 by 480 anamorphic (maximum)	Dolby Surround⁸	New releases - $3.99 Library titles - $2.99	6 Mbps: less than 30 seconds 2 Mbps: about 1 minute 768 Kbps: about 1.5 hours
High Definition	1280 by 720 (maximum)	Dolby Digital 5.1 surround sound⁸	New releases - $4.99 Library titles - $3.99	6 Mbps: less than 1 minute 2 Mbps: about 2 hours 768 Kbps: about 8 hours

Estimated start times based on a 90-minute movie and a sustained Internet connection speed. Times vary based on movie length, broadband connection speed, and other factors. Test your broadband speed at www.speedtest.net.

My tested speed for a standard cable modem is about 7Mbps. I find watching movies, including HD content, to be instatntaneous on the Apple TV.

As far as bandwidth for the millons who will begin using such services..... we are hoping here in the US that Obama employs all the layed-off auto workers to install a brand-new state-of-the-art nationwide high speed ultra-wide broadband network infrastructure.

Re: B&O BlueRay

Bv7Mk3 — Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:49:12 GMT

Yes takes ages to download a film from the net and we dont have the fastest net downloading as yet.The fastest I know of is 100gig but think that maybe upped a little as thats old hat.

As for the cost of Blueray I pay no more than £10 to £15 tops for my films but places like hmv charge way too much more like £25 to £30 per film...whos going to pay that then they say there not selling lol.

I'd love to have everything stored so I can just call it all up,anytime and only a fe companys do rippers that copy blueray to there harddrive players and once ripped they cannot be copyed,which is not a problem.

Be good if B+O did a video storage unit like the Bs 5 for video,which could rip or be loaded up with blue or Dvd.....mmmm.

That would be the best of both worlds music and video

Re: B&O BlueRay

propaganda — Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:34:22 GMT

Downloadable content sounds ideal...but downloading an HD film requires good bandwidth and at the moment takes a long time i.e overnight. You have to plan ahead. On the other hand I can be down at blockbuster in 5 mins pickup a bluray film and be watching it 10 minutes later. What happens to the bandwidth if everone starts downloading HD content. Nice idea until the masses start to use it e.g. the proposed on demand TV content from the BBC. I think there is room for both Bluray and downloadable content, main problem at the moment is the huge disparity in the costs of buying Bluray discs compared to DVD. Difference not so marked for renting though, plus at the moment due to the slow uptake in Bluray the latest movies tend to still be available to rent when the DVD versions are all out of stock.

Re: B&O BlueRay

Bv7Mk3 — Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:59:38 GMT

Sony say Blueray has a life of 10 years and thats the Ps3 as well thats it, then no more discs ever......

At the mo Blueray can store up to 400gig on one disc but not shure if out yet.

Re: B&O BlueRay

TripEnglish — Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:16:21 GMT

I can't imagine that anyone is seriously working on another physical media. Blu-Ray sort of has to be the last, doesn't it?

I think that Apple's response to integrated Blu-Ray wasn't leaving it out of the new MacBooks, it was the MacBook Air. No discs needed.

Re: B&O BlueRay

Flappo The Grate — Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:47:43 GMT

i read somewhere aboot something called green ray

is that true do you think ?