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Re: Sony BR in BV7

tournedos — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 04:30:40 GMT

a2bur:
I thought Blu-ray was all the same and was the system that decided how to display it .

Just like DVD, Blu-Ray can support a number of resolutions and progressive or interlaced image. You player/processor/display can still up- or downscale them if needed.

For example, most "Full HD" AVCHD camcorders produce 1440x1080i content instead of the full 1920x1080. AVCHD discs produced by them are still fully conforming to the Blu-Ray spec.

Re: Sony BR in BV7

a2bur — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 02:21:09 GMT

Titles originally for TV, for example the "Planet Earth" I have, are often 1080i.

I thought Blu-ray was all the same and was the system that decided how to display it . I've looked on my Dvd boxes and can't see any reference to progressive or interlace . I have two titles that wont play on either my BV7-40 mk 3 or my separate Bs3 cinema , both have a Ps3 as a player . If I plug the Hdmi directly into the projector from the Ps3 they play .

Richard

Re: Sony BR in BV7

moxxey — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:51:36 GMT

Sal:
That's not entirely true..

You're being pedantic. I know you can buy converters, but I meant you can't connect 'out of the box'. However, my main point is that Apple dared to make the change and have made the change three times in the last 10 years.

Change sometimes needs to happen, unfortunately. There comes a time when B&O need to say that to move to the new generation of digital connection, they need to lose some of the support of their older products.

Re: Sony BR in BV7

Dave — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:04:00 GMT

Peter :
Perfectly true. The link room uses an RF signal so the picture will be SD - and probably not that great SD either. The new version of ML which has been promised for some time will address this. The problems with this lie with backwards compatibility. Up to now, it has been possible to use really quite old products in a modern system - I, for instance, use an LX6000 in our bedroom and can control the Sky+ in the main room on it. Unless we have some very clever converter boxes, this type of use will become a thing of the past.
I personally think that perhaps it is the time for B&O to grasp the bull by the horns and introduce a properly up to date system that allows multiple sources to play and to allow the transfer of HD signals. If this means that they support two systems for a while, so be it. I am not sure a credit crunch will be the ideal time to introduce this though.

But at the cost of price rises... hmmm i guess they need to balance it a bit better considering how quickly technology is starting to move.... They really do need to get up to speed.

Re: Sony BR in BV7

Sal — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:53:28 GMT

moxxey:
BTW Peter, maybe B&O should do what Apple have done recently - move to yet another display connector. They've now changed something like 3 times in 10 years. I've got no motivation to look it up, but this new Mini Port or whatever it's called is now a new way of connecting Apple equipment to their latest screens.
Anyone who buys a Mac Pro right now can't connect to their new mini port-based LCD screen.

That's not entirely true. The Mac mini, and Mac Pro as well as the iMac have DVI or MiniDVI ports. only the macbook and macbook pro models have the "new" minidisplayport. I say "new" because it has been around for a while, and will be the standard for two way graphics communications in displays. Apple as well as others do offer a $20US adapter that converts from DVI or VGA to minidisplayport. I bought one and am using my Apple Cinema display with a new Macbook. You are right, though that in the last 10 years, Apple have changed the connector availabilities, but they haven't alienated any users of one connector over another as they have made available adapters for cross compatibility. My personal preference was the ADC proprietary connector, power and data in one simple plug. No mess. -Sal

Re: Sony BR in BV7

tournedos — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 06:38:30 GMT

moxxey:
So far, I've not bought a Blu-ray that isn't 1080p (Full HD)?

Titles originally for TV, for example the "Planet Earth" I have, are often 1080i.

Re: Sony BR in BV7

moxxey — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 06:36:45 GMT

BTW Peter, maybe B&O should do what Apple have done recently - move to yet another display connector. They've now changed something like 3 times in 10 years. I've got no motivation to look it up, but this new Mini Port or whatever it's called is now a new way of connecting Apple equipment to their latest screens.

Anyone who buys a Mac Pro right now can't connect to their new mini port-based LCD screen.

As I'm assuming that most modern B&O kit is designed around modules, it means that an end-user could update the ML in their BV7, BV8 etc? So, perhaps B&O should just take a risk and bring out an all-new digital ML that is supported in all new products but updatable in most of their recent products? I can't see any other way around it?

Re: Sony BR in BV7

moxxey — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 06:32:31 GMT

tournedos:
Christian:
I am a bit confused. Is Blu-Ray: HD or Full HD?
That depends on the actual title, but it can definitely be Full HD. Most movies are full 1920x1080 @ 24p.

So far, I've not bought a Blu-ray that isn't 1080p (Full HD)?

Re: Sony BR in BV7

moxxey — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 06:30:27 GMT

Peter :
Perfectly true. The link room uses an RF signal so the picture will be SD - and probably not that great SD either.

And I hope they can do something about reducing the size of the RF distribution box (or whatever it is called). It's huge and I'm only sending a signal less than 3 metres between two rooms!

Although I have a lot of B&O kit, I've never linked products until recently as I'm not able to hide the cabling as it's a rented apartment. However, linking was far more difficult, cumbersome and 'sightly' than I had anticipated. Maybe I'm a little niaive, but I really expected just to connect a ML cable straight in to the BV7-40 and then the other end in to the BV8-26. I thougth that the ML cable contained all the data required to push through the video, audo and controller commands! It seems to have enough pins on the socket.

I didn't expect that RF box, additional cables to/from the box etc etc.

I expected one cable to do everything. I expected the output to be digital. I didn't expect the BV7-40 to push HD signals back to the BV8-26, but did expect that it would be digital and Freeview quality.

My expectations exceeded the ML's capabilities :(

Re: Sony BR in BV7

Christian — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 06:19:30 GMT

OK!

I thought they were only HD.

You learn every day...

Re: Sony BR in BV7

tournedos — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 05:42:49 GMT

Christian:
I am a bit confused. Is Blu-Ray: HD or Full HD?

That depends on the actual title, but it can definitely be Full HD. Most movies are full 1920x1080 @ 24p.

Re: Sony BR in BV7

Christian — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 05:20:29 GMT

moxxey:
Christian:

I would much rather have an internal DVD, than an external. The up-scaling in BS3 can be customized and completely matched to the DVD, which could provide a better result.
True, but you don't need to up-scale Blu-ray DVDs, so playback via the Playstation 3 or other external device is fine. I might go for the internal Blu-ray player if it's £400 as people have stated though. Any more - ie. if we have to pay for engineering time etc - and I might as well just use the PS3.

I am a bit confused. Is Blu-Ray: HD or Full HD?

Re: Sony BR in BV7

a2bur — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 03:40:10 GMT

I have Sky connected this way so I do get it on the link but only because of the RF out on the Sky , can't get the Ps3 or Apple thru because you can only have one of the outputs active so can't bypass the master Tv to the link . Like Peter said B&o will have to find a way to distribute Hd or their video Link system will be a dead duck .

Richard

Re: Sony BR in BV7

Peter — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 03:13:43 GMT

Perfectly true. The link room uses an RF signal so the picture will be SD - and probably not that great SD either. The new version of ML which has been promised for some time will address this. The problems with this lie with backwards compatibility. Up to now, it has been possible to use really quite old products in a modern system - I, for instance, use an LX6000 in our bedroom and can control the Sky+ in the main room on it. Unless we have some very clever converter boxes, this type of use will become a thing of the past.

I personally think that perhaps it is the time for B&O to grasp the bull by the horns and introduce a properly up to date system that allows multiple sources to play and to allow the transfer of HD signals. If this means that they support two systems for a while, so be it. I am not sure a credit crunch will be the ideal time to introduce this though.

Re: Sony BR in BV7

moxxey — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 02:49:24 GMT

a2bur:
I hope I'm wrong but don't think you can see anything connected via Hdmi to the video master on a link TV . As more equipment is connected with Hdmi the link facility may be come useless and B&o will lose one of it's main selling points unless it can be addressed .
Richard

You can. I'm watching Sky HD via masterlink, when the Sky box is connected via HDMI. I must admit though, after watching HD, a link room picture is like a poor SD signal.