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Re: Experts needed: Will this setup work properly?

Peter Pan — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:04:28 GMT

Is this correct?

Bieele

In principle, used pin 3 + and pin 2 -- to non B & O sub.

Use BaoLab 2 used PoverLink mk III as my original drawing.

Peter Pan

Re: Experts needed: Will this setup work properly?

Bieele — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:27:20 GMT

Peter Pan:
Bieele
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One more question on this setup: Why is it needed to split the subwoofer out?
I would expect that I can also connect pin 3 and 5 in the DIN connector to get the same result. Is this correct?
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Yes pin 3 left, pin 5 right and pin 2 ground for connecting aktiv SUB, can also be connected with the front speakers.
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Mvh. Peter Pan

Thanks Peter Pan,

But I am not sure I understood completely:

My intention is to connect pin 3 and pin 5 of the sub woofer din connector (instead of using a splitter on the rca sub out of the receiver), so only using 1 cably from pre-amp subwoofer out to 8 pin din.

Is this correct?

Bieele

Re: Experts needed: Will this setup work properly?

Peter Pan — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 04:53:12 GMT

Bieele
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One more question on this setup: Why is it needed to split the subwoofer out?
I would expect that I can also connect pin 3 and 5 in the DIN connector to get the same result. Is this correct?
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Yes pin 3 left, pin 5 right and pin 2 ground for connecting aktiv SUB, can also be connected with the front speakers.
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Mvh. Peter Pan

Re: Experts needed: Will this setup work properly?

Bieele — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:40:50 GMT

Peter Pan:
Hallo Bieele here are some possibilities.
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http://www.recordere.dk/forum/uploads/PeterPan/2008-08-14_134409_aktive_bl._til_non_B&O_forst..gif
http://lintronic.dk/AppNote_BeoLink.pdf
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My English is not good. So hope you forståt my drawings.
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Greetings Peter Pan

One more question on this setup: Why is it needed to split the subwoofer out? I would expect that I can also connect pin 3 and 5 in the DIN connector to get the same result. Is this correct?

I am making good progress on choosing what to purchase to replace my avant.

As a pre-amp I will be using the pre-amp outs of a Marantz 6003. As a television I am still in doubt between the Samsung 786, a Panasonic or a new type Philips flat tv.

Best Regards,

Bieele

Re: Experts needed: Will this setup work properly?

Peter Pan — Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:32:21 GMT

Yamaha RX-V663 have Pre-out 5.1 for volume-driven and trigger connection for aktive BeoLab speaker via PowerLink to RCA adapter.

Fuld Specifikation:

Preout terminals for front, centre, surround and surround back, and dual mono subwoofer out

http://www.dvdplanet.ro/index.php?action=detalii&produsI D=4399

Fuld Specifikation:

Preout terminals for front, centre, surround and surround back, and dual mono subwoofer out

http://www.dvdplanet.ro/index.php?action=detalii&produsI D=4399

Re: Experts needed: Will this setup work properly?

Bieele — Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:25:33 GMT

Peter Pan:
It is, of the Per-Out amplifier you buy you determine loudspeaker outputs.
Builder you my box then use the Power Link MK III cable and you will not "brummen".
Each speaker must be active, not mixed with passive speaker.

I see that some (pre)amplifiers have a choice between "balanced" and "not-balanced" pre-amp outputs.

Can somebody tell me what the difference is and can I use both for a connection to B&O powerlink speakers? Is yes, is there a preference for balanced (because of using long cable lengths for instance)?

Thanks,

Bieele

Re: Experts needed: Will this setup work properly?

Bieele — Sun, 09 Nov 2008 14:21:14 GMT

Beobird:
I would only go for option 1 if you're going to buy a B&O plasma/lcd too (otherwise you will spent 3 times more on the bs-3 then on the non-B&O tv). Option 2 will be a much better choice if you buy the Panasonic plasma combined with a Panasonic Blu-ray player.

Option 2 has another advantage: My wife will be very impressed if this system works after I build this "do it yourself" triggering box using my soldering equipment!

But without kidding: I am quite confident that I will go for a non-B&O solution. Although this will take quite some time to get fully working the way I like it, I believe that I can get very good picture/sound quality and all connectivity and upgrading possibilities I desire.

Therefore I am doing a lot of searching the find the proper system; that is a challenge since there is a lot of equipment to choose from if you do not choose B&O! The Rotel 1570 seems to be a perfect system, but is not yet available in the Netherlands. Also the Rotel 1069 seems to be a good option. Also Onkyo has a model which seems interesting. I am also not sure yet if I have to buy a specific pre-amp or that the good amp with pre-outs will also do a very good job.

I am sure I will keep you updated and that I need more information before I have this setup completed.

Bieele

Re: Experts needed: Will this setup work properly?

Beobuddy — Sun, 09 Nov 2008 08:29:16 GMT

Beobird:

I don't know how to do this, but I should think about it twice...
You really need to know what you wan't in the future, and what both options can bring you:

I've done that for the past year.

It isn't that difficult to combine several equipment from different brands and control them with e.g. a lintronicbox.

But I don't like the trigger solution as mentioned. It works but it doesn't win the beautycontest.

I still would prefer a commercial panel because you can choose directly an input with one infrared/RS232 instruction.

To select one of the inputs from the Panasonic consumerpanels you have to toggle with the AV button between several inputs.

But my choice is to start with a BS2 or stripped avant chassis to spread the costs. At the end I will have the BS3.

An alternative is to start with a second hand BV5 and build another panel in it.

But my main goal is to integrate the system. For example, I still want to use NMusic and to control my settopbox in my bedroom/bathroom.

As I look at my topfield HDPVR 7710. It has simultaniously the HDMI as well the composite videosignal. So the first is used for the panel and the second for link through the BS2/avantchassis. I don't need HD in the bedroom or kitchen, but still prefer music and video everywhere in the houseboat.

Re: Experts needed: Will this setup work properly?

Beobird — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 09:12:45 GMT

I don't know how to do this, but I should think about it twice...

You really need to know what you wan't in the future, and what both options can bring you:

1. Beosystem 3: 100% integrated with all your other B&O equipment, but It was designed before hdmi 1.3, and it costs a lot more. You will also have to create some tweaks if you wan't to use it with a non-B&O blu-ray or hdd player.

2. Rotel surround processor: will integrate less then the Beosystem 3 does, but everything will work perfect after the trigger is solved (you can buy the rca to din cables new, so the trigger is the onlyl problem, and it can be solved easily). At the end you will have the hdmi 1.3 possiblity's, probably a better sound quality and you've got 2000,- euro's in your pocket. It is also very easy to connect other non-B&O equipment in the future, if you want.

I would only go for option 1 if you're going to buy a B&O plasma/lcd too (otherwise you will spent 3 times more on the bs-3 then on the non-B&O tv). Option 2 will be a much better choice if you buy the Panasonic plasma combined with a Panasonic Blu-ray player.

Re: Experts needed: Will this setup work properly?

Bieele — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 01:46:39 GMT

Beobuddy:
I think I'll wait with investing in a FullHD screen.
During the month november the TH-42 PF11 will be released. The 50" will be released in december.
This is the next commercial panel without the speakers but with the RS232 connector you'll need if you want to invest in a BS3 in future.
My suggestion is, stick with the BS2 or strip an avant. It will give you less problems with link, sound, level and trigger issues.
You can connect HD sources (I would suggest e.g. a PS3 controlled by STB-C) directly to the plasma.
A lintronic box would control the plasma via RS232. All the sound from the HD sources can go through the BS2 or Avant.

Hello Beobuddy,

Looks like a nice screen indeed, I saw that it can already be ordered (the 42" version) on several sites.

I have thought about stripping my avant to convert it to a "Beosystem 2", in other words, remove the tube and all other unneeded parts and only keep the masterlink, DD surround processor capabilities, tv tuner and powerlink connections. Would this be a complicated process?

Does anybody have an 'instruction' how to do this?

Bieele

Re: Experts needed: Will this setup work properly?

Beobuddy — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:10:15 GMT

I think I'll wait with investing in a FullHD screen.

During the month november the TH-42 PF11 will be released. The 50" will be released in december.

This is the next commercial panel without the speakers but with the RS232 connector you'll need if you want to invest in a BS3 in future.

My suggestion is, stick with the BS2 or strip an avant. It will give you less problems with link, sound, level and trigger issues.

You can connect HD sources (I would suggest e.g. a PS3 controlled by STB-C) directly to the plasma.

A lintronic box would control the plasma via RS232. All the sound from the HD sources can go through the BS2 or Avant.

Re: Experts needed: Will this setup work properly?

liberal — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 10:38:30 GMT

Hi Bieele,

The leads from AV Connection can be made to your own length, (mine are 10m) when you click on 'buy' you can specify which length you require.

I am not sure about connecting them to powerlink cables as these leads are wired for right and left, so each Beolab must have its own seperate lead wired back to the processor, which also means that you cannot 'daisy chain' the rear Beolabs.

Kind regards

Paul

Re: Experts needed: Will this setup work properly?

Peter Pan — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 01:20:06 GMT

Bieele

It is, of the Per-Out amplifier you buy you determine loudspeaker outputs.
Builder you my box then use the Power Link MK III cable and you will not "brummen".
Each speaker must be active, not mixed with passive speaker.

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Re: Experts needed: Will this setup work properly?

Bieele — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:29:02 GMT

Peter Pan:
Hallo Bieele here are some possibilities.
My English is not good. So hope you forståt my drawings.
.
Greetings Peter Pan

Hello Peter Pan,

Thanks for the info! Your forum is also great; it gives a lot of inspiration. Your English is good enough and your drawings are super.

You should start a company to sell these custom made solutions! I would be a costumer for sure!

One question: I want to use my setup for movies as well as music. For music I want to use my front speakers (BL1) plus BL2. For movies all 6 speakers. Would it be best to only turn the speakers on that I use (in other words use two seperate triggers)? I saw that several receivers have multiple 12V triggers; so this could be done. The alternative would be to turn all speakers on; but I wonder if this could result in a minor "humming" from the speakers.

Bieele

Re: Experts needed: Will this setup work properly?

Peter Pan — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:53:10 GMT

Hallo Bieele here are some possibilities.
.
http://www.recordere.dk/forum/uploads/PeterPan/2008-08-14_134409_aktive_bl._til_non_B&O_forst..gif

http://lintronic.dk/AppNote_BeoLink.pdf
.
My English is not good. So hope you forståt my drawings.
.
Greetings Peter Pan