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Re: Beosound / Beosystem 5

Mr10Percent — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 10:04:15 GMT

It was actually Scheele who discovered the Calcium Oxide version of wolframite (CaWO3)

After concentrating (via gravity, or froth flotation,) the concentrate is converted into APT (Amonium ParaTungstate) then calcined into the metal which has a specific gravity similar to that of gold (approx 19.5mt/m3). Hence a small amount will weigh alot and balast the base.

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Re: Beosound / Beosystem 5

Bv7Mk3 — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 08:33:32 GMT

The third ring is also knurled (for what reason?).

Answer.......... It's A Volume Control Wheel...I think!

Re: Beosound / Beosystem 5

Daniel — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 06:22:28 GMT

Beofan2:
Or danish Daniel :-)

But it was a Swede who discovered and named it. The strange fact is that we in Sweden doesn't use the Swedish word tungsten for the metal. We use the German word volfram.

Re: Beosound / Beosystem 5

Puncher — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 06:00:39 GMT

soundproof:

Interesting thread.
A point about Apple and rights to music.
Steve Jobs has repeatedly called for music companies to make their music DRM-free. He's managed to get EMI on board, and other record companies are realizing that worked out well for EMI. However, because Apple is getting so powerful (the world's largest music seller now) companies are also aligning themselves with other ways of reaching the market, where they want to keep DRM on board.
Apple probably deserves to get knocked for a lot, but not for imposing DRM - they don't want any. Fairplay is there as a guarantee to the c companies that provide music to Apple. The moment these companies realize that DRM-free is the solution, Fairplay is gone. Here are Job's Thoughts on Music:
http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/

LINK

Re: Beosound / Beosystem 5

Beofan2 — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 03:38:05 GMT

Or danish Daniel :-)

Re: Beosound / Beosystem 5

Beofan2 — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 03:37:01 GMT

Yes! I will buy it and can´t wait to order one.

Re: Beosound / Beosystem 5

Daniel — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 03:15:10 GMT

Stars:

Tungsten is also used in the base of the Beo5 remote control. It is a very dense and therefore heavy metal.

Nice to know: Tungsten is Swedish and means heavy rock (tung sten).

Re: Beosound / Beosystem 5

soundproof — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 02:45:05 GMT

Interesting thread.

A point about Apple and rights to music.

Steve Jobs has repeatedly called for music companies to make their music DRM-free. He's managed to get EMI on board, and other record companies are realizing that worked out well for EMI. However, because Apple is getting so powerful (the world's largest music seller now) companies are also aligning themselves with other ways of reaching the market, where they want to keep DRM on board.

Apple probably deserves to get knocked for a lot, but not for imposing DRM - they don't want any. Fairplay is there as a guarantee to the c companies that provide music to Apple. The moment these companies realize that DRM-free is the solution, Fairplay is gone. Here are Job's Thoughts on Music:

http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/

Re: Beosound / Beosystem 5

Mr10Percent — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 23:08:19 GMT

From the photos I have seen, I have not seen the tablet seperate from the angular stand.

That said, the design is very "industrial" and very un-B&O. The control wheel extends down to the stand exposing effectively 3 aluminum "rings".

The first (on top of the tablet) is the control wheel.

The second is a space (on the other side of this is the table sandwiched between)

The third ring has a bar in the middle ?? Maybe a control bar or a latch keeping the screen on the stand/dock?

The third ring is also knurled (for what reason?).

Below that, the stand is in standard B&O black lacquered plastic.

All in the photo is exposed on the final product.

Probably more useless info but there you have it.

Re: Beosound / Beosystem 5

jk1002 — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:44:44 GMT

So let me ask the 1000000$ question. Would anyone buy it without a 2 way remote available at initial release? And I don't man Beo5. i mean Sonos like.

I wouldn't. I would start looking for a nice CD rack and stick to my BC2 and BS9000.

Cheers

P.s. I think the only thing that would make me happy is if I could take the panel of the podest. If that is how it works, and congrats to B&O for keeping that a secret, i would pony down to the store with credit card in my hand (cash is old fashioned).

Re: Beosound / Beosystem 5

petz — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 15:22:25 GMT

Hi,

I got following info from dealer in Luxembourg. Will be in show in November, but will only be delivered starting March 2009.

Beomaster has 500 GB and two connections; 220v and to internet router for updates directly from B&O daily at midnight.

Beosound 5 has 3 connections to master unit; DVI, USB & Powerlink. He showed me picture of connections directly on retailers site with B&O, but no picture.

It offers internet radio and movie distribution if not protected.

He draw a picture showing a bigger wheel than the one you posted. And he said that he saw it on an alu stand. So it seems that you can fix it on the wall or have it on a stand. Will try to scan it & post it tomorrow eve.

Indicated a cost of around EUR 5.000.

Will visit dealer again as I am building a house and wiring is finished. Did the plan of the wiring with dealer but before BS5 details were out. Need to make sure I have the right wires at the right place as I was waiting for it. Cannot afford to change in couple of weeks again. So he's trying his best to get info from B&O.

Re: Beosound / Beosystem 5

rgbyhkr — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:04:07 GMT

wtlc2zpx:
Apple has already license the DRM technology to one company: Motorola.

I had forgotten about that. However, I am not aware of any other company. It's also important to note that this preceded the iPhone. So, there was a very clear motive in that case and I have read in post iPhone launch interviews where Jobs talked about how they learned from the experience. With AirTunes and AppleTV, they have their own hardware solution, so their desire to fill that gap via licensing deals is absent. I highly doubt that we'll see Apple license the DRM to anyone else. If it hasn't happened by now, it likely won't - we're far more likely to see them go completely DRM free first.

wtlc2zpx:
Some other devices can access the DRM protected songs from a docked iPod (which does the decoding). They can display the cover art and song info on an external screen.
p.

Personally, I don't have much use for this kind of solution but obviously many people do as a ton of companies do offer a docking solution like this. It's usually not as flexible as what you would get from accessing iTunes directly, but it is a solution to the DRM problem. Also, other than Wadia's iTransport, most other docks out there let the iPod to the D/A which is personally an undesirable route to take. Some docks do use the iPod in a USB storage mode to give full access to the files and do the D/A externally, but then you have the same problem with DRM tracks.

Jeff

Re: Beosound / Beosystem 5

PhilLondon — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 07:43:02 GMT

I also remember that B&O announced about a year ago that they purchased a license for a technology that allowed many digital sources to work together... and the patent included iTunes.

Again, several existing devices say they are supporting iTunes... but only for DRM free songs...

Apple has already license the DRM technology to one company: Motorola.

Some other devices can access the DRM protected songs from a docked iPod (which does the decoding). They can display the cover art and song info on an external screen.

Re: Beosound / Beosystem 5

rgbyhkr — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 07:36:06 GMT

moxxey:
However, what I'm asking was this - if this Beosound is supposed to be iTunes 'compatible', then do they just mean audio tracks you've sourced from your own audio CDs. You see, the point is this - if iTunes is now the number one source for downloading music, and the Beosound doesn't support Apple's Fairplay, then they are attempting to compete with Apple, encouraging yet-another-format, for storing compressed audio.

In fairness to B&O, this isn't something that they can do much about. AFAIK, even though there have been requests by users of dozens of different music servers and streamers, Apple has not licensed their FairPlay DRM to any other company. They seemingly want to keep it in-house only for any number of reasons that we could speculate about. No company is big enough to force Apple's hand on this, so it's no fault of B&O's if they can't work out a deal to do the same.

It's not a competition as I doubt that B&O will use any kind of DRM to import music. They will likely support playback of a number of formats but, like every other company, they won't be able to playback FairPlay DRM AAC tracks. This is one of those unfortunate truths about the current state of the industry that puts consumers in a bad spot. The trend is definitely towards selling non-DRM tracks online (see Napster, Rhapsody, Amazon, etc) with ITMS as a major holdout. Personally, while I will browse and previe tracks on ITMS regularly, I rarely buy from it. Rather, I head over to Amazon, Rhapsody, etc to get the same songs in a higher bitrate and non-DRM format. B&O can't fix that problem for me and I don't expect them to be able to.

iTunes compatibility to me means that the system will be able to playback tracks in my existing iTunes library (save for any FairPlay tracks - although what few I do have I have converted to standard MP3s anyway after purchasing), access my playlists in iTunes, etc. This makes things easier to get going right away. You don't then have to re-rip content or even recreate your favorite playlists. You are ready to go shortly after setup.

Jeff

Re: Beosound / Beosystem 5

Russ — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 07:09:00 GMT

Actually Moxxey, Phillippe did have one reminder which you blew right past. It is now possible to purchase non-DRM protected music from the iTunes store. These are referred to as iTunes +. Admittedly this is not the majority of songs available, but it is growing...and those songs/albums are encoded at a higher bit-rate than normal as well. Ought to be no trouble for B&O to play those songs.

Additionally, one can purchase high(er)-quality, non-DRM music from Amazon.com, for instance, and move those songs into the iTunes library as well. Other, high quality, non-drm sources are beginning to appear. Since we're talking about a new 'high-end' piece, I would say that support for the Fairplay, 128kbps files is the least of our worries.

Russ