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Re: Being Green - How important is it for B&O

gk31ax — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 14:50:17 GMT

I was invited to a research group on Nepspresso coffee (many B&O shops now serve it to customers and from my perspective ready to be flamed, its a good brand fit)

They blurted on endlessly about how interested we were in their green credentials, except that no-one really was.....

We bought Nespresso because of its quality.....

Now the MX1500 in my son's room has been going strong since 1989, that's what I call sustainability and to a point green. How many Sony's and Ferguson's and whatever else from that era are not on the scrapheap???

How green is a product which lasts you a year in this throw away society??

Re: Being Green - How important is it for B&O

Toby — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 14:38:55 GMT

Thanks Beocool.

Re: Being Green - How important is it for B&O

wonderfulelectric — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:30:22 GMT

Have you noticed that the phrase EU regulation is mentioned again and again. I think B&O is doing nothing beyond basic environmental guidelines to help the green movement. For example the place that I stay caught fire 5 yrs back and the whole system consisting of an Avant, Besound 9000 and Beolab 8000 melted into bits. And the fact that the base of Beolab 8000 has a high level of lead in it doesn't help with the environment either. Also recently I bought a few Beocom 4s and the latest packaging has changed into fancy gloss silver and black instead of the usual brown cardboard. Well what does that say about environmental friendliness. I am not saying that B&O is unethical or anything but it simply does whatever it feels most profitable.

Re: Being Green - How important is it for B&O

The Stig - ver. 1.7 — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:47:31 GMT

I Will tray again with a more specific link, where you can read about brominted flame retardants and energy use on BC6

Re: Being Green - How important is it for B&O

beoaus — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 18:15:26 GMT

B&O have paid significant attention to what we now call "Green" methods. I have had this discussion myself. The PR blurb link is a poor representation of what they have actually done. Crap is a better word ...

Then again they never have been the most detailed communicators have they?

Beoaus...

Re: Being Green - How important is it for B&O

beocool — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 05:24:22 GMT

Toby:

Sadly I don't know what duo transfomer means but I was very impressed how little energy the B&O products us for standby, and this I would have thought is a very big bonus point for B&O in the green stakes.

And then there is the fact their product outlast the competition, what is the use if you have two buy two sony stereos over ten years when you only need one B&O product.

It's like upgrading your car every three years so it uses less fuel, when you consider the energy required to buld the new car.

Well that is my two pennies.

A transformer is a device with two circuits. A changing current in the first circuit creates a changing magnetic field; in turn, this magnetic field induces a changing voltage in the second circuit. AFAIK duo transformers mean that the unit uses a small transformer and therefore more energy efficient for standby use and a large transformer when the unit is switched on.

I'm with you on products that last for a long time. The main environmental issue is preserving the world's natural resources, at least IMHO.

Re: Being Green - How important is it for B&O

Toby — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 04:36:05 GMT

Sadly I don't know what duo transfomer means but I was very impressed how little energy the B&O products us for standby, and this I would have thought is a very big bonus point for B&O in the green stakes.

And then there is the fact their product outlast the competition, what is the use if you have two buy two sony stereos over ten years when you only need one B&O product.

It's like upgrading your car every three years so it uses less fuel, when you consider the energy required to buld the new car.

Well that is my two pennies.

Re: Being Green - How important is it for B&O

mhw — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:21:54 GMT

Even the Beomaster 8000 had two transformers!

Re: Being Green - How important is it for B&O

Alex — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:13:53 GMT

I was going to make the dual-transformer point, something they've been doing since the BeoCenter 9300 I think...

Re: Being Green - How important is it for B&O

Hardwriter — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:54:35 GMT

It's been quite a while since I visited B&O in Struer but last time I did they were pretty keen on green in their products. They eliminated most of the painting because of the solvent issues and they have a very environmentally acceptable anodising approch, don't use chrome, etc. Also have been using dual transformer systems to reduce standy by comsumption for decades. That said, I'm sure they could do better

Re: Being Green - How important is it for B&O

tobeyone — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:53:02 GMT

Well, I beg to disagree...I don't know any B&O users (hmmm maybe I don't know very many anyway) who would choose to buy any B&O products because they were more or less green. We buy them for what they are!

Re: Being Green - How important is it for B&O

wonderfulelectric — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:22:28 GMT

Totally. It's so corporate bull.. Where's the spirit for doing something because it will just make the world a better place. There's a thing called karma. Look at Apple, they are one of the first who jumped on the reducing carbon footprint bandwagon and I bet when the carbon footprint figures of their products were published in some magazine such as was the case of the ipod nano in the Times, it would have boosted the sales of their products instantly and not to mention customer loyalty.

Re: Being Green - How important is it for B&O

TripEnglish — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:01:14 GMT

I agree. I don't think that B&O have thought about it anymore than any other company, at least as far as I can see on the inside. Beyond the normal "efficiencies" that are attended to with bottom lines in mind, there doesn't seem to be any real focus on it.

I can't imagine that B&O will be bit by the green bug anytime soon. Our core clientele are people who generally own two or more residences, expensive cars, travel extensively, etc. They are about as resource intensive as any individual could be. It would seem a bit inconsistant for someone with a car that gets 14mpg to demand a biodegradable television.

Re: Being Green - How important is it for B&O

9 LEE — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:29:33 GMT

I don't think 355f was being 'anti-green' - just realistic!

Lee

Re: Being Green - How important is it for B&O

joeyboygolf — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:10:00 GMT

355f:
9 LEE:

Standard 'blah' i would call it.. very non-committal, and clearly written by a PR Department.
At the moment though, i think B&O have bigger fish to fry...
Lee
It seems to me that the new founded bodies like the 'carbon trust' for example are another way of raising revenue, now we even have departments within local councils with highly paid individuals advising on carbon footprint and when the council tax is up for review all homes will have a footprint and pay for it!
All this of course might be money for the boys but its putting industry at a serious competative dissadvantage.
In China, which is now producing for most of the world in almost all sectors - they dont care at all about these issues and that is why they are so seriously able to produce products so cheaply and they dont have beurocrats stuffing up their economy either.
If there is anything in the european approach I wonder why they dont just impose a levy on all goods imported from China where the factories do not meet emission standards- and not one would of course- but then that would be to easy and not employ as many individuals which as far as i can see is a sink for the unemployable anyway.

Well said that man! But I warn you..........there are green fanatics about, even on this forum, so be prepared for a salvo in return.