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Re: Experience of BV 4-65

TripEnglish — Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:33:09 GMT

Within a few weeks (at least here in the US) The BeoVision 9 will be using the D10 like the BeoVision 4s. I'm sure it's the same for EU. Both will also have the ACM feature.

I noticed the epic thread almost crept into this one a bit! A single thread can't contain such a topic!

Re: Experience of BV 4-65

moxxey — Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:44:46 GMT

Alex:
Plasma seems to produce a softer image than LCD, simply due to the technology and as a result, does a small, but slightly noticeably better job than LCD with standard definition. There's not much in it, but it's enough that it disguises the DVD compression bi-product.

Generally though, LCDs on the market are either way too soft, or so pin-sharp that they either mask all the information in the DVD to try and make it watchable, or show up everything. The BeoVision 7 has the ability to get the best of both worlds - pin-sharp accuracy, but it's far better at producing a clean image than anything else which shows this 'pin-sharp' accuracy. Impressive picture processing...

Definitely. A very clean image. It shows it 'as is'. For most HD sources it's absolutely superb. Of course, for low-quality SD - such as the Aston Villa game on Five right now - it again shows it 'as is', with all the problems with the poor SD signal.

As I said above, the Olympics on HD, via the BV4, look superb - better than on my BV7. It's too sharp. I might even turn down the sharpness.

Re: Experience of BV 4-65

Alex — Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:52:01 GMT

moxxey:
355f:
One could equally say that Blue Ray doesnt make a huge deal of difference on a large proportion of discs compared to upscaled dvd- and that would be largely true
Colours are definitely richer on a Blu-ray DVD. There's definitely a difference. Whether it's worth paying almost double for the 'experience' of improved colours and so on, is another matter!
I would imagine an upscaled SD DVD on the BV4-50 would look decent. As the BV7-40 MKIII is so pin sharp, you see any scaled-up imperfection.

Plasma seems to produce a softer image than LCD, simply due to the technology and as a result, does a small, but slightly noticeably better job than LCD with standard definition. There's not much in it, but it's enough that it disguises the DVD compression bi-product.

Generally though, LCDs on the market are either way too soft, or so pin-sharp that they either mask all the information in the DVD to try and make it watchable, or show up everything. The BeoVision 7 has the ability to get the best of both worlds - pin-sharp accuracy, but it's far better at producing a clean image than anything else which shows this 'pin-sharp' accuracy. Impressive picture processing...

Re: Experience of BV 4-65

Roger — Thu, 14 Aug 2008 08:15:37 GMT

BeoMaster 5 is the storage unit for the BeoSound 5, and will replace the BeoMedia 1 as a built-in option for the BeoVision 9. Current owners can retro-fit the BeoMaster 5 when launched.

Roger

Re: Experience of BV 4-65

Dave — Thu, 14 Aug 2008 08:05:46 GMT

Roger:
You get D10 on both sets and the very same BeoSystem 3. The BeoVision 9 will give you the option to hide stuff inside the television (like HDR-2, BeoMedia 1 or BeoMaster 5 etc) and to attach your set-top-box to the back of it (and you can easily hide the connection box for the BeoCenter 2 on the stand behind the BV9). But above all the BV9 will turn and it is such a clever design: the screen is at the correct height above the floor without looking out-of-place.
If these things are less important to you than screen size - go for the 65".
Roger

Beomaster 5??

Re: Experience of BV 4-65

Roger — Thu, 14 Aug 2008 03:20:45 GMT

You get D10 on both sets and the very same BeoSystem 3. The BeoVision 9 will give you the option to hide stuff inside the television (like HDR-2, BeoMedia 1 or BeoMaster 5 etc) and to attach your set-top-box to the back of it (and you can easily hide the connection box for the BeoCenter 2 on the stand behind the BV9). But above all the BV9 will turn and it is such a clever design: the screen is at the correct height above the floor without looking out-of-place.

If these things are less important to you than screen size - go for the 65".

Roger

Re: Experience of BV 4-65

Dave — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 22:49:11 GMT

Be nice All humans make mistakes.

I'm interested to read these comments about the picture of such a big screen being so good in every source, THATS A BIG FEAT!

Re: Experience of BV 4-65

Razlaw — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:35:00 GMT

Check the other thread now, Beopaul indicates that B and O has confirmed that the BS3 supports up to 192kHz. Beopaul has asked the forum moderator to confirm that it is acceptable to post actual correspondence from B and O and if it is, the actual correspondence will be posted.

Re: Experience of BV 4-65

moxxey — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:17:38 GMT

Razlaw:
I come from America where we actually believe in free speach..

Oh dear. I forgot that America works very differently from the UK or, say, Germany. Of course.

You've given your opinion a fair few times. Point potential BS3 buyers at the other discussion and let them read it through.

Re: Experience of BV 4-65

Razlaw — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:11:13 GMT

moxxey:

Razlaw:
An upgrade may or may not be needed to enjoy True HD and DTS Master. There is a somewhat lengthy, I think somebody actually called it epic, thread here discussing the issue.
Razlaw, I don't think that 'added' to the conversation. Hence my irony in the previous comment. Please do not tell potential BS3 owners that it supports True HD. It definitely does NOT support DTS-HD.

I come from America where we actually believe in free speach. We also believe in letting people make their own informed decisions based on all available information. If you would have taken 3 seconds or so to actually read my post, you would have seen I did not express any opinion in it, merely said there was a forum already discussing it in response to your absurd suggestion that a new thread be started on the topic.

Re: Experience of BV 4-65

moxxey — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:09:01 GMT

355f:
One could equally say that Blue Ray doesnt make a huge deal of difference on a large proportion of discs compared to upscaled dvd- and that would be largely true

Colours are definitely richer on a Blu-ray DVD. There's definitely a difference. Whether it's worth paying almost double for the 'experience' of improved colours and so on, is another matter!

I would imagine an upscaled SD DVD on the BV4-50 would look decent. As the BV7-40 MKIII is so pin sharp, you see any scaled-up imperfection.

Re: Experience of BV 4-65

355f — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:01:58 GMT

Alex:

In the real world True-HD does not make a huge deal of difference. It's there in the first place to provide a fantastic sound and frankly, even a poorly set-up and chosen B&O surround sound system will outperform pretty much anything you'll find on the market.
RE the BV4-65", yes it is an exceptionally good TV. The BeoSystem 3 is what really makes it though, and how well tied-in it is with the BeoSystem, and as a result, the picture produced. The 4-65" when driven with a BeoSystem 3 is the only television I've seen of that size which produces a good picture with standard definition (which is usually unwatchable on a screen of that size). In fact, with standard definition, it's jaw-dropping, let alone HD.
Especially with the latest innovation, ie the colour re-calibration every 100 hours of watching. A very clever solution to a problem which could otherwise cause issues!

One could equally say that Blue Ray doesnt make a huge deal of difference on a large proportion of discs compared to upscaled dvd- and that would be largely true

But when its good- its good- same argument applies for HD audio and more investment in these codecs every month. If your spending this kind of money I would want the dealer to confirm in writing that the product supported it.

Re: Experience of BV 4-65

Alex — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:48:56 GMT

In the real world True-HD does not make a huge deal of difference. It's there in the first place to provide a fantastic sound and frankly, even a poorly set-up and chosen B&O surround sound system will outperform pretty much anything you'll find on the market.

RE the BV4-65", yes it is an exceptionally good TV. The BeoSystem 3 is what really makes it though, and how well tied-in it is with the BeoSystem, and as a result, the picture produced. The 4-65" when driven with a BeoSystem 3 is the only television I've seen of that size which produces a good picture with standard definition (which is usually unwatchable on a screen of that size). In fact, with standard definition, it's jaw-dropping, let alone HD.

Especially with the latest innovation, ie the colour re-calibration every 100 hours of watching. A very clever solution to a problem which could otherwise cause issues!

Re: Experience of BV 4-65

moxxey — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:28:19 GMT

Razlaw:
An upgrade may or may not be needed to enjoy True HD and DTS Master. There is a somewhat lengthy, I think somebody actually called it epic, thread here discussing the issue.

Razlaw, I don't think that 'added' to the conversation. Hence my irony in the previous comment. Please do not tell potential BS3 owners that it supports True HD. It definitely does NOT support DTS-HD.

Re: Experience of BV 4-65

Razlaw — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:21:07 GMT

An upgrade may or may not be needed to enjoy True HD and DTS Master. There is a somewhat lengthy, I think somebody actually called it epic, thread here discussing the issue.