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Re: Beosystem 3 with Non-B&O Panel recommendation

Razlaw — Sun, 08 Jun 2008 19:47:51 GMT

We can't place the TV any closer to the seating position. The room was wired for B and O when we built the house so all of the speakers need to stay where they are, and thus the TV needs to stay in one spot also. Given the layout of the room and the furniture, it also can not be moved closer. Right now the seating positions are between 10 and 12 feet from the TV.

Re: Beosystem 3 with Non-B&O Panel recommendation

Alex — Sun, 08 Jun 2008 13:01:09 GMT

Razlaw:
The reason I asked about the Samsung panel is we found a 46 inch Samsung we really like. The BV7 is just a little small for our room, we think. It would work, but we think something larger would be better. The BV9 and BV4-50 are a little big for the wall we will be locating the TV on. We sit between 10 and 12 feet from the TV.
We like the BV7 the best of any of the B and O TVs

Have you thought about placing the TV closer to your seating position? The BeoVision 7 is great at 'freestanding', especially with the BeoLab 7-4 underneath it.

Re: Beosystem 3 with Non-B&O Panel recommendation

Razlaw — Sun, 08 Jun 2008 11:01:07 GMT

What is a Panasonic Commercial panel? Where does one buy them? Are they available at retail electronic stores?

What functions does one lose by using one rather than a BV4, other than the automatic color management.?

Re: Beosystem 3 with Non-B&O Panel recommendation

Razlaw — Sun, 08 Jun 2008 10:11:41 GMT

The reason I asked about the Samsung panel is we found a 46 inch Samsung we really like. The BV7 is just a little small for our room, we think. It would work, but we think something larger would be better. The BV9 and BV4-50 are a little big for the wall we will be locating the TV on. We sit between 10 and 12 feet from the TV.

We like the BV7 the best of any of the B and O TVs

Re: Beosystem 3 with Non-B&O Panel recommendation

Alex — Sun, 08 Jun 2008 04:58:20 GMT

Razlaw:
What about Beosystem 3 with an LCD? Smasung for instance? Isn't the Beovision 7 panel a Samsung?

I'm not sure what the panel is in the latest version - whether or not it's still a Samsung I don't know. I know they have used Samsung in the past though.

Nonetheless, the panel in the BV7 is very closely tied in to the BeoSystem 3 which is built in. You'll also be missing the contrast/AR panel which comes on the front of the BeoVision 7 (which improves the image dramatically).

Re: Beosystem 3 with Non-B&O Panel recommendation

Russ — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 22:30:09 GMT

Indeed it is. But it is a hand-sected Samsung Panel, presented behind a carefully manufactured piece of glass. Your milage may vary.

Russ

PS If you have to save a bit..by all means buy the BS-3 and save on the display!

Re: Beosystem 3 with Non-B&O Panel recommendation

Razlaw — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 20:43:55 GMT

What about Beosystem 3 with an LCD? Smasung for instance? Isn't the Beovision 7 panel a Samsung?

Re: Beosystem 3 with Non-B&O Panel recommendation

355f — Mon, 26 May 2008 08:09:32 GMT

TerryM:
355f:

Razlaw:
Trip, you say you like the Kuro better than B&O LCDs, "but that could change quite shortly"....are you suggesting something will be changing about the Beovision 7?
No one is investing in LCD development anymore. All future investment is geared toward making it cheaper.
All new investment is goimng into OLED. The bv7 may have some very small improvements but thats your lot im afraid!

Hi,
LED backlighting,and 100Hz,are being portrayed to the buying public as developments in LCD panels.
Is there no justification to these claims?
I thought questions were being raised about the life expectancy of the current OLED panels.
If correct,will further development of LCD really be curtailed?

LED backlighting does give a huge increase in contrast ratio. So the figures look impressive.

problem is the way contrast ratio is measured is the difference between maximum brightness and maximum blackness and because the way LCD operates the blacks are never as good as the whites! so in the real world not a huge advance although it makes a difference-

This is not new of course- several models have it as do many with 100htz. LCD is a flawed technology- made popular because its very cheap to make the panels-

So my statement refers to new advances in LCD from now on. Only investment to make it cheaper is planned- everything else is geared toward oled- that has its own problems just at the moment, mainly in relation to blue- which has a shoter life than it should for commercial use.

Re: Beosystem 3 with Non-B&O Panel recommendation

TerryM — Mon, 26 May 2008 07:36:42 GMT

355f:

Razlaw:
Trip, you say you like the Kuro better than B&O LCDs, "but that could change quite shortly"....are you suggesting something will be changing about the Beovision 7?
No one is investing in LCD development anymore. All future investment is geared toward making it cheaper.
All new investment is goimng into OLED. The bv7 may have some very small improvements but thats your lot im afraid!

Hi,

LED backlighting,and 100Hz,are being portrayed to the buying public as developments in LCD panels.

Is there no justification to these claims?

I thought questions were being raised about the life expectancy of the current OLED panels.

If correct,will further development of LCD really be curtailed?

Re: Beosystem 3 with Non-B&O Panel recommendation

soundproof — Mon, 26 May 2008 07:30:33 GMT

Kuro is a ™ that applies to Pioneer plasma from generation 8 onwards. I haven't seen the gen 9 screens, but they're reported to have even better colour depth, contrast and black. I'm very satisfied with my gen 8.

OLED is the big buzzword now, though we'll have to wait a while before those screens reach any size. If you money to spare you can buy Sony's small OLED screen - but everyone's expecting these to replace LCD and even Plasma, as the OLED technology, if they can make them large enough and long-life enough, uses a lot less power. And power consumption is becoming an issue as screens are growing in size and processing power.

Re: Beosystem 3 with Non-B&O Panel recommendation

TerryM — Mon, 26 May 2008 07:28:15 GMT

TripEnglish:

Terry,
Not at all. I use Kuro as a general term because I have seen a Kuro (of any generation including 8) that can is better than a Panny connected to a BeoSyste 3. They may very well beat them handily if the BeoSystem 3 is not involved, but if you look back to the OP, the nature of this thread is pairing a non-B&O panel with a BeoSystem 3.
I think the Kuro's are fine frankly, they just don't do it for me. Much of the simple on-board processing that takes place in the pioneer model is obliterated before your eye picks up the image due to the color temperature and brightness of the light in the room as well as the fluid chromatic nature of what's being shown on the screen. If my white-point can't be adjusted in real time, and my color balance can't be adjusted in real time, and my contrast can't be adjusted in real time, than it doesn't really matter what the chipset in the panel is doing as the processed image can't maintain integrity in a real life situation.
Again, not "hating" on the Kuro panels, just pointing out that the OP might be well served to use a Panasonic in order to avail himself of the full compliment of picture processing that the BeoSystem 3 is capable of.

Hi,

I do not know if Pioneer has incorporated the facility in their XD range,but in the LX there is a "room light sensor" facility.

Pioneer do not state how many parameters are adjusted when enabled,but in a footnote state "As this function automatically optimises image quality,the process in which image settings such as brightness and tint gradually change may be seen on thescreen.This is not a malfunction."

As I have said in other threads,as advised to me by B & O UK,using a BS3 with a Pioneer is not recommended,so as far as the OP is concerned,a Panasonic panel would be the route to go as a cheaper option to a BV4.

Re: Beosystem 3 with Non-B&O Panel recommendation

355f — Mon, 26 May 2008 06:38:21 GMT

Razlaw:
Trip, you say you like the Kuro better than B&O LCDs, "but that could change quite shortly"....are you suggesting something will be changing about the Beovision 7?

No one is investing in LCD development anymore. All future investment is geared toward making it cheaper.

All new investment is goimng into OLED. The bv7 may have some very small improvements but thats your lot im afraid!

Re: Beosystem 3 with Non-B&O Panel recommendation

bumble — Sun, 25 May 2008 22:43:28 GMT

If you can skrimp, save, and afford the BV4, it's absolutely worth it. Failing that, you'll get predictably good results with any of the Panasonic commercial/industrial plasma panels, and the sizing/format will be good and correct. Have seen sizing and power control issues with Pioneers, Sharps, and LGs. No such matters reported with the Panas.

Good luck -

Bumble

Re: Beosystem 3 with Non-B&O Panel recommendation

Razlaw — Sun, 25 May 2008 19:37:37 GMT

Trip, you say you like the Kuro better than B&O LCDs, "but that could change quite shortly"....are you suggesting something will be changing about the Beovision 7?

Re: Beosystem 3 with Non-B&O Panel recommendation

TripEnglish — Sun, 25 May 2008 15:03:33 GMT

Terry,

Not at all. I use Kuro as a general term because I have seen a Kuro (of any generation including 8) that can is better than a Panny connected to a BeoSyste 3. They may very well beat them handily if the BeoSystem 3 is not involved, but if you look back to the OP, the nature of this thread is pairing a non-B&O panel with a BeoSystem 3.

I think the Kuro's are fine frankly, they just don't do it for me. Much of the simple on-board processing that takes place in the pioneer model is obliterated before your eye picks up the image due to the color temperature and brightness of the light in the room as well as the fluid chromatic nature of what's being shown on the screen. If my white-point can't be adjusted in real time, and my color balance can't be adjusted in real time, and my contrast can't be adjusted in real time, than it doesn't really matter what the chipset in the panel is doing as the processed image can't maintain integrity in a real life situation.

Again, not "hating" on the Kuro panels, just pointing out that the OP might be well served to use a Panasonic in order to avail himself of the full compliment of picture processing that the BeoSystem 3 is capable of.