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  • 07-30-2011 8:44 AM

    BL 9 class D amplifier ?

    Does anybody know why they used class D for bass and AB for mid and treble ?

     

     

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  • 07-30-2011 9:13 AM In reply to

    Re: BL 9 class D amplifier ?

    Purely technical I think. Due to the operating principle, class D amps get increasingly difficult to implement when the required audio frequency range gets higher. Also, the main advantage of class D is power efficiency, and most of the power is required at the bass section. Therefore, using class D for the higher frequencies as well would add a lot of cost and technical difficulties with practically no benefits.

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  • 07-30-2011 10:26 AM In reply to

    Re: BL 9 class D amplifier ?

    And it is essentially the same chassis as that of the Beolab 1 so it needed no big design costs.

  • 07-30-2011 5:30 PM In reply to

    Re: BL 9 class D amplifier ?

    tournedos:
    Therefore, using class D for the higher frequencies as well would add a lot of cost and technical difficulties with practically no benefits.

    Interesting, what about 5's then ?

    Is there any down sides with this setting D+AB ?

     

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  • 07-31-2011 5:46 AM In reply to

    Re: BL 9 class D amplifier ?

    nmartin771:

    tournedos:
    Therefore, using class D for the higher frequencies as well would add a lot of cost and technical difficulties with practically no benefits.

    Interesting, what about 5's then ?

    Even the mid and treble amps are much bigger in the 5s, so I believe it is already a question of practical implementation issues... if it needed two uncompromised quality 250W conventional amps in addition to what is already in there, I think you would need a fork truck to move them around, and the amount of generated heat would be too much.

    nmartin771:
    Is there any down sides with this setting D+AB ?

    None really. They are matched together and it's not an issue at the listener end Smile

    -mika

  • 07-31-2011 6:44 AM In reply to

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    Re: BL 9 class D amplifier ?

    tournedos:
    Even the mid and treble amps are much bigger in the 5s, so I believe it is already a question of practical implementation issues...

    And possibly also a matter of prestige in using their own ICE-technology in their TOTL speaker?

    BTW, great thread and great answers from tournedos - many people seem to think that class D is better than AB in all aspects, which it isn't. It's better in some, worse in others.

  • 08-01-2011 4:17 PM In reply to

    Re: BL 9 class D amplifier ?

    henrik:
    And possibly also a matter of prestige in using their own ICE-technology in their TOTL speaker?

    Interesting point ...

    I'm not that technically educated, but can you go digital with mixed amplifiers ? D+AB

    BL5 are all D and they have digital input.

     

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  • 08-01-2011 4:30 PM In reply to

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    Re: BL 9 class D amplifier ?

    There is no such thing as a digital amp. D in class D doesn't stand for digital. That notion is purely marketing. There has to be a DAC somewhere in the chain and there is no tech benefit of building it in in the speaker.

    The main benefit of class D is effiency. AB is soundwise equivalent and even better when it comes to high frequencies.

    The design choices in both bl5 and bl9 makes sense from a tech perspective.

  • 08-01-2011 5:41 PM In reply to

    Re: BL 9 class D amplifier ?

    Style:
    The main benefit of class D is effiency. AB is soundwise equivalent and even better when it comes to high frequencies.

    hm ... Does it mean that class D mid's and high's in to BL5 are there for "purely marketing" reason ?

    Or it is not "audiophile correct" to sell 18K speakers D+AB ?

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  • 08-02-2011 10:58 AM In reply to

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    Re: BL 9 class D amplifier ?

    I think the Ds are there because 250 watt AB would weigh a ton and you would need cooling the size of a fridge, ie they are their because they are efficient
  • 08-02-2011 11:24 AM In reply to

    Re: BL 9 class D amplifier ?

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    I think the Ds are there because 250 watt AB would weigh a ton and you would need cooling the size of a fridge, ie they are their because they are efficient

    My thoughts exactly.

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