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  • 05-16-2009 9:59 PM

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    BeoVision 8-40 Soap Opera Effect

    I have my new Beovision 8-40 for a week now, superb picture & sound, took a bit of setting up, awkward placement of inputs and a manual that is very B&O, (ie not much information!!)

    Anyway, there is a problem, HiDef films appear very sharp and detailed, but they appear as though thaey are B Class movies (soap Opera affect). Is anyone else suffering from this on there HDTV's. How can you stop it. Oh and I'm using a PS3 via HDMI cable at 1080P. Has anyone tried a lower res or 1080I??

    I'm really considering taking back the TV as it is really killing the movies, The Batman film (BluRay version) appeared to have no depth and was almost laughable.

    Please help

    TC

    Quick update:

    After searching on the web, alot of problems seam to be using motion picture/flow or some kind of cinema mode. Is there any way of turning it off?

  • 05-16-2009 11:27 PM In reply to

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    Re: BeoVision 8-40 Soap Opera Effect

    what TV were you using before you got the BV8?

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  • 05-16-2009 11:48 PM In reply to

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    Re: BeoVision 8-40 Soap Opera Effect

    BV6 -26, had to upgrade due to lack of HDMI & of course HDCP. Got it in my kitchen now :-)

    Cheers

    TC

  • 05-17-2009 4:51 AM In reply to

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    Re: BeoVision 8-40 Soap Opera Effect

    Hmm. I've see Casiono Royale (Blu-ray) on my 1080p-based BV7-40 and it wasn't as good as on the brand new 100Hz BV8-40. I thought the movement and camera panning was far better (thanks to the 100Hz screen). However, this better panning can make the picture look a bit more 'cartoon like' simply as it's so effective. On your old BV6 and my 50Hz screen, when the camera pans quickly you get a blurred effect and you effectively have to wait until the camera stops panning, before your eyes can focus properly. With the BV8-40, I noticed you can see detail with fast camera pannning. Big difference.

    However, I thought it was better! It looked more real to me and how it should be. Only LCD panels cause the blurring with fast camera panning. Plasmas are far more effective dealing with the same scenes - see the start of Casino Royale when James Bond is running through the greenary/wood, before he reaches the building site. That's a good example where my BV7-40 fails. Lots of fast camera panning.

    Sorry this doesn't 'fix' anything for you, I just think your new TV is so 'effective' and that you're so used to bluriness when camera panning etc, it now looks too sharp, real and also a bit comic-like?

  • 05-17-2009 5:54 AM In reply to

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    Re: BeoVision 8-40 Soap Opera Effect

    Is it possible it's because you went from a 26" to a 40"? Smaller screens will look to have more depth if you sit at the same distance by their very nature when compared to larger screens.

    How far are you watching from?

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  • 05-17-2009 10:09 AM In reply to

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    Re: BeoVision 8-40 Soap Opera Effect

    I sit about 3.5mtrs, it did take an hour or so to get used to the size, but now after a week with it, i dont think i could go smaller. It's hard to explain the image on some films, they just dont look real.

    I will mess around with the settings on the PS3 tomorrow, try different resolutions etc. does anyone have any optimal settings you use with your PS3 & B&O??

    Cheers

    TC

  • 05-17-2009 1:27 PM In reply to

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    Re: BeoVision 8-40 Soap Opera Effect

    Hi Splud. I can check for you, but do you want to give us your PS3 specs and we'll check? I have mine set to 24fps 'on', 1080p mode 'on', hdmi output 'on' and so on. Does the BV8-40 support 24fps? I'm not sure. If it doesn't, try turning that off as it can affect the panning.

    The Casino Royale Blu-ray I watched on the BV8-40 was through a PS3 and it was stunning. More BV9 than BV7-40. As I said elsewhere, smoother panning (because of the 100Hz screen), smoother screen (less sharp than my BV7-40) and slightly richer colours. It was a slight step up from my BV7-40 MKIII.

  • 05-17-2009 4:08 PM In reply to

    Re: BeoVision 8-40 Soap Opera Effect

    The user manual and service manual are on site.

  • 05-17-2009 4:42 PM In reply to

    Re: BeoVision 8-40 Soap Opera Effect

    Check to see if there is a movie mode or film mode I had this turned on, on my avant and I thought the picture was very false!

     

    Hope that helps!

  • 05-17-2009 8:27 PM In reply to

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    Re: BeoVision 8-40 Soap Opera Effect

    Hi Guys,

    Tonight I will hire out Casino Royale Blu-ray and play with some settings (it doesnt have an option to turn off movie mode), also I will try the play back in a borrowed Xbox 360.

    I'm also starting to think, the effect is only with some movies as I watched The 5th Element last night and it wasnt as bad? or maybe I'm just getting used to it??

    I'll update later....

    TC

    Just a foot note:  I have read elsewhere on the forum that people are getting the Beo5 remote included? This wasnt an option when I purchased my set here in Australia!!

     

  • 05-20-2009 9:47 PM In reply to

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    Re: BeoVision 8-40 Soap Opera Effect

    Ok so it's a few days later and having watch many more films on BluRay and messed with just about all the settings, I can still see a problem with the picture also i now have noticed a clear shimmer on some objects especially around people.

    My dealer has also seen these problems with his setup and is testing a new firmware to improve the picture quality (fingers crossed!)

    However he has also offered me an upgrade (at a price, about doubled what i paid) to the new BV7-40!!! Although I can't really afford it, I am giving it some consideration.

    What is the picture like on Hi-Def movies and is the sound quality really worth the extra $8000!!! I have 4 x Beolad 3's and a Beolab 2 Sub.

    Is it worth getting the intergrated BluRay player or just keep the PS3??

    Cheers

    TC

  • 05-21-2009 2:57 AM In reply to

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    Re: BeoVision 8-40 Soap Opera Effect

    Have you had any feedback from B&O themselves?

    If this is true it beggars belief!

    How on earth can they justify releasing a very expensive new product onto the market while still trying to get it to operate to an acceptable standard? Solution offered - spend another $8000(Aus)............incredible!

    At the very least I would demand my warranty period doesn't begin until the product meets my expectations, on the other hand I would be considering a refund rather than doubling my outlay.

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  • 05-21-2009 2:58 AM In reply to

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    Re: BeoVision 8-40 Soap Opera Effect

    I don't think anyone has received their BV7-40 MKIV yet (mine arrives next week), so no-one can report whether it's worth the upgrade or not.

    All I can say is that I've seen the new BV8-40 and the picture was better than my current BV7-40 MKIII. Just. Whether the BV7-40 MKIV is another step up from your BV7-40, and thus worth the extra money, is going to be debatable. I'll put my neck on the line and say 'no, probably not'.

    I wonder if this shimmer effect is simply your view of the movies? I saw the latest Batman on the BV9 the other day and, when sitting too close, I could see a bit of a shimmer effect, even on this top-end BV9. Are you sure you're not expecting so much, you're seeking any flaw whatsoever as the TV should be perfect (in your opinion)? There was another guy on here a few months ago with a BV8 and he also was going on about the same shimmer effect, but no-one else could see it....apart from himself.

    The problem with LCD TVs is that they can produce a picture that looks a bit 'false'. Sometimes the picture looks too sharp and lacks depth. The BV7 will produce the same picture though as it's likely to be using the same panel.

  • 05-25-2009 7:18 AM In reply to

    Re: BeoVision 8-40 Soap Opera Effect

    A new update for BV8-40 is available:

    • SW Build 68 (Q-update)

    This might be an Quality Update for this issue mentioned above?

  • 05-25-2009 7:34 AM In reply to

    Re: BeoVision 8-40 Soap Opera Effect

    This problem reminds me of my first Beovision4 50" that came with a Beosystem 1. The problem is the picture enhancement that tends to overdo sharpening and killing the depth of field. No problems with TV channels, but DVD movies were rendered like soap operas. I've seen this effect on some Phillips plasmas and didin't like it either. Switching to movie mode didn't really help. Luckily I could later switch to Beosystem 3 and the problem was solved.

    It would be very sad if B&O continued to use this soap-opera picture enhancement in their BV8. What is your dealer telling you about this issue ?

  • 05-25-2009 7:40 AM In reply to

    Re: BeoVision 8-40 Soap Opera Effect

    You can also try the "Film Mode ON/OFF" via the customer service menu:

    The menu can be accesed by pressing RED + GO while the cursor is placed on the CONNECTIONS field.

    Monitor Information Adjustments -> Film Mode

  • 05-25-2009 8:34 AM In reply to

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    Re: BeoVision 8-40 Soap Opera Effect

    erg4000:

    It would be very sad if B&O continued to use this soap-opera picture enhancement in their BV8. What is your dealer telling you about this issue ?

    It's not on my BV8-26 and I saw the BV8-40 again, at the weekend, with another Blu-ray movie, and there was no soap-opera effect. Looked no different to the same Blu-ray playing on the BV9! I don't think this is a problem with the BV8 en-masse.

  • 05-25-2009 9:26 AM In reply to

    Re: BeoVision 8-40 Soap Opera Effect

    This software update was made for ML-Gateway only...

     

    BeoVision 8-40 is now Master Link Gateway (Type 1798-1799) compatible.

  • 05-26-2009 12:38 AM In reply to

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    Re: BeoVision 8-40 Soap Opera Effect

    Hi guys,

    I have been told that B&O are testing a software fix at the moment, but I will try disabling the 'film mode' as above. I will let you know if this works.

    Although I have ordered the BV7-40 as a replacement which will arrive mid June here in Australia.

    Cheers TC

  • 05-26-2009 5:17 AM In reply to

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    Re: BeoVision 8-40 Soap Opera Effect

    Hi spezializten

    I tried pressing RED + GO while the cursor is placed on the CONNECTIONS field, but didnt work...

    Oh Well

    TC

  • 05-27-2009 3:16 AM In reply to

    Re: BeoVision 8-40 Soap Opera Effect

    I have tested it and the combination shall be RED then press GO (NOT RED and GO at the same time)

  • 05-27-2009 5:13 AM In reply to

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    Re: BeoVision 8-40 Soap Opera Effect

    Hi spezializten

    OK managed to access the menu...Turned off film mode & will test it later on a hired Blu Ray film, fingers crossed. Would love to know what the other settings are in the service menu?? Very tempting to play around, dont worry, wont touch them Big Smile

    Will update later

    Cheers TC

  • 05-28-2009 10:30 AM In reply to

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    Re: BeoVision 8-40 Soap Opera Effect

    Ok, so I watched Valkyrie last night, the 1st 10 minutes with film mode on, too clean looked a bit plastic, also had the shimmer effect around some objects. Then I turned off the film mode and at last, the picture is brilliant, the graininess is back, everything still looks very detailed, but now has depth... It’s hard to explain, maybe I have devalued the picture but it’s more believable now.
    Cheers
    TC

  • 05-28-2009 5:54 PM In reply to

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    Re: BeoVision 8-40 Soap Opera Effect

    Could you check these things (I don't think they apply to the BV8, but you can try):

    Press MENU and then MENU again. Highlight OPTIONS and go to the 'customer service menu' by clicking your RED button and then GO within 3 seconds.

    Within the 'customer service menu', select PICTURE ADJUSTMENTS. Within here, change sharpness (I have mine at 18) and change FILM JUDDER CANCEL to OFF (it's AUTO as default).

    This 'film judder cancel' seems to be the new film mode. When it is on or auto, the picture lacks depth and looks a bit comical.

  • 05-28-2009 8:44 PM In reply to

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    Re: BeoVision 8-40 Soap Opera Effect

     hi moxxey, below are the service menu settings for my BV8-40

    cheers splud

    Menu setting 2

    menu setting 1

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