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Latest post 12-05-2007 2:27 PM by lausvi. 13 replies.
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lausvi
- Joined on 04-16-2007
- Helsinki - Finland
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Beovision LX 5500 losing colors
Hello. A relative of mine has a Beovision LX5500. He bought it as new in 1993 or something and it has been in heavy use since. It has been repaired few times. Some weeks ago the LX started to lose it colors occasionaly, and my relative is considering to buy a new lcd-tv instead of repairing the Beovision. The TV is now put aside and I am offered to get it but can't take it at the moment (lack of space). I would be interested in fixing it, and some day taking it to my daily use, as I really like it, and it's the best sounding tv I've never seen. The TV works, but sometimes the colors are occasionally lost. I guess it could be something as easy as a bad contact or something like that. Or something old capacitor-related. Any experience in these, anyone? :) I haven't opened it yet, but I'd like to hear some ideas what to look for when I have time to take a look of it. There has also been problems with the teletext (and the on-screen texts like channel names and symbols). The text color is randomly reddish or pink, sometimes the original. I guess these both would be caused by things like old capacitors or bad solder joints etc. and therefore repairable by me. I just need some hints where to start looking! :) (And no, I have never been repairing tv-sets but I am aware about the dangers of the CRT tube voltages, so no need to warn me :) Thanks in advance for any help!
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Die_Bogener
- Joined on 04-16-2007
- Bogen, Germany
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Re: Beovision LX 5500 losing colors
This effect is caused by capacitors. Try the AV Ports. If the effect is also there by using a vx recorder or any other external device, then the RGB board is defect. Otherwise the tuner. But: replace ALL electrolyt capacitors... on power supply and mainboard. Pink colours or green is a different problem, the PTC on the mainboard may be defect.
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lausvi
- Joined on 04-16-2007
- Helsinki - Finland
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Re: Beovision LX 5500 losing colors
Die_Bogener: Try the AV Ports. If the effect is also there by using a vx recorder or any other external device, then the RGB board is defect. Otherwise the tuner. But: replace ALL electrolyt capacitors... on power supply and mainboard.
Now as you mentioned I remember that I tested that. The problem was the same with tuner and VCR. So that would indicate the RGB board is defect? Should I first check the RGB board for some easily spotted troubles or just replace the capacitors? How many of those there are? Any special types? Die_Bogener: Pink colours or green is a different problem, the PTC on the mainboard may be defect.
The pink text color appears in teletext pages and in the on-screen-texts like channel names and sound/picture adjusting bars. Sometimes the color is correct, sometimes not. Repairable?
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lausvi
- Joined on 04-16-2007
- Helsinki - Finland
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Re: Beovision LX 5500 losing colors
Die_Bogener: But: replace ALL electrolyt capacitors... on power supply and mainboard.
Still thinking... If I would start by replacing the caps: How big an operation this would be? How many capacitors there are in total to be replaced? And how easy task this is, I have a soldering tools and basic skills. How long it would take (approx) to complete? Does anyone happen to have any pictures of the "insides" of a BeoVision LX5500, so I could get an idea what kind of space I'd be working on? In the case the RGB board is defect, how "bad" that would be?
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Peter
- Joined on 02-12-2007
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Re: Beovision LX 5500 losing colors
If you are not experienced in TV repair, I would be very wary about digging inside. The voltages can be lethal. The set however is designed to be repaired and the boards will slide out - the service manual is on site.
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lausvi
- Joined on 04-16-2007
- Helsinki - Finland
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Re: Beovision LX 5500 losing colors
Peter: If you are not experienced in TV repair, I would be very wary about digging inside. The voltages can be lethal. The set however is designed to be repaired and the boards will slide out - the service manual is on site.
Indeed I am not experienced in those things but I have red a lot about these and know the danger. I my case I'd be VERY careful and most likely to keep the TV unplugged as long as possible before making anything inside. And think twice before doing anything! Those are dangerous things, always good to remaind. I've also found the service manual and checked it. Good reference. And as the boards are easily accessible I guess I'll try. Just waiting for the day I've time... :)
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Die_Bogener
- Joined on 04-16-2007
- Bogen, Germany
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Re: Beovision LX 5500 losing colors
The MX/LX5500 takes around 3-4 hours to replace all capacitors. Costs are around 50 Euro. If you dont have all necessary spare parts available, it takes a really long time to order... 105 degree Low ESR types are requiered and especially these types are hard to get. Do not try to use standard 85C capacitors, they wont live long enough... maybe sometimes only some hours. Martin
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lausvi
- Joined on 04-16-2007
- Helsinki - Finland
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Re: Beovision LX 5500 losing colors
Regarding the parts: do I have to first get the TV and take one capacitor out, mark it's ratings, then take out the next etc. or is there a part list somewhere available? (So I could order all the parts once and then just replace them one by one). I'll anyway need to order those as I don't have any 105 deg. caps. I cheched my retailer's website and there seems to be some Low ESR 105 deg. types available (at least). I downloaded the service manual, but didn't get too much out of it.
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The Stig - ver. 1.7
- Joined on 06-20-2007
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Re: Beovision LX 5500 losing colors
Start with the sync. board it placed in by itself on the bottom PCB next to the EHT trafo.
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ipaul
- Joined on 04-22-2007
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Re: Beovision LX 5500 losing colors
Yes: imho this is the board to start with (a known trouble maker) and just re-solder the solderings, especially if you look on the soldering side upper left, there's an IC and the smd things above that is usually causing trouble. The board 'stands' on the motherboard in 2 small plastic clamps. imho recapping is a bit of a waiste of time and money for this type of tv and chances are little you actually solve the problem, in these chassis it's mostly the same few caps going bad (if at all) and the others usually last for the lifetime of the tv, after all i assume you're not expecting it to work for another 20 years :).... Generally speaking, the 'bad type caps' found in these tv's are the brown coloured elcos, used in some chassis and are usually founf in the base of the HT transistor and in the power supply, but these are not causing your problem. Another easy trick: buy another one (not worth much without remote) and swap boards, so you know which board is faulty... My experience with this model is that the weak part is the soldering/boards itself and there are less and less around with a reasonable tube because of the age (but if you find a good one it is a great tv with great sound).
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lausvi
- Joined on 04-16-2007
- Helsinki - Finland
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Re: Beovision LX 5500 losing colors
ipaul: Yes: imho this is the board to start with (a known trouble maker) and just re-solder the solderings, especially if you look on the soldering side upper left, there's an IC and the smd things above that is usually causing trouble. The board 'stands' on the motherboard in 2 small plastic clamps. imho recapping is a bit of a waiste of time and money for this type of tv and chances are little you actually solve the problem, in these chassis it's mostly the same few caps going bad (if at all) and the others usually last for the lifetime of the tv, after all i assume you're not expecting it to work for another 20 years :).... Generally speaking, the 'bad type caps' found in these tv's are the brown coloured elcos, used in some chassis and are usually founf in the base of the HT transistor and in the power supply, but these are not causing your problem. Another easy trick: buy another one (not worth much without remote) and swap boards, so you know which board is faulty... My experience with this model is that the weak part is the soldering/boards itself and there are less and less around with a reasonable tube because of the age (but if you find a good one it is a great tv with great sound).
Of course I expect this to work for another 20 years... :) I'd hope it to! This would be basically just a try to fix the tv, to prevent it being dumped as nonworking... it wouldn't deserve that kind of destiny! Thanks for your post, I'll try resoldering first. Anything dramaticall to remember to do / or not to do? (Afraid of burning the IC accidently) I've seen those brown elcos in some other B&O's of mine too. Some I've changed had had cracs on the top so they really looked bad. Unfortunately I can't just buy another one, as I would hardly have the space for one anyway, not for two! (And those are still not too cheap here in Finland as there aren't too many of those around) I really like the TV mostly because of it's excellent sound and desing.
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nobby
- Joined on 04-21-2007
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Re: Beovision LX 5500 losing colors
There are plenty of dead sets on ebay ... would suggest buying one and swapping the panels ... makes a lot more sense timewise and less likely to get yourself into trouble ... once you have isolated the problem to one area, it will be simpler to perform your repair. Neil
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ipaul
- Joined on 04-22-2007
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Re: Beovision LX 5500 losing colors
Lausvi, i think the caps with the cracks on the top are of the older (pre-LX5500) type, the ones i refer to are the ones with the 'shiny' top, the trouble with those is that sometimes these start leaking, if so usually you can see the spots on the board and even smells. Usually, i start with pulling the chassis out, switch the tv on and with a plastic (or any isolated !!!!) 'tool' (like a tooth brush back end) i tap a bit on that suspicious board (or any other) while looking at the picture (if needed use a mirror) to find the 'pain-spot'. Also checking the board with a magnifying glass will sometimes show little cracks in the soldering joints, many times you couldn't tell with the bare eye.. Carefully apply some new solder to the joint, as said the boards get weak because of ageing.... Of course if the tube (picture) still is/was ok it's worth fixing because you're right: the sound is great and so is the picture (if tube not worn) and can still easily compete with any modern tv. In fact, i've seen them with better convergence and geometry than it's newer brothers: MX6000/7000 etc., however, bear in mind the value is low of these tv's so spending your own time on it doesn't matter but i would advise not to spend a lot of money on it. Than again usually this is not needed......90% of the problems with this tv is related to bad soldering/connections which only cost time (to find). If you get it working again spend even more time on cleaning it carefully with a vacuum cleaner and a small brush: the 16 year dust blanket usually found in these tv's keeps the heat in which doesn't help much if you like to keep it for another 20 years :).
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lausvi
- Joined on 04-16-2007
- Helsinki - Finland
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Re: Beovision LX 5500 losing colors
ipaul: Lausvi, i think the caps with the cracks on the top are of the older (pre-LX5500) type, the ones i refer to are the ones with the 'shiny' top, the trouble with those is that sometimes these start leaking, if so usually you can see the spots on the board and even smells.
Yes, I was actually thinking about non-tv-stuff. But yes, I know the problem ipaul: Usually, i start with pulling the chassis out, switch the tv on and with a plastic (or any isolated !!!!) 'tool' (like a tooth brush back end) i tap a bit on that suspicious board (or any other) while looking at the picture (if needed use a mirror) to find the 'pain-spot'. Also checking the board with a magnifying glass will sometimes show little cracks in the soldering joints, many times you couldn't tell with the bare eye.. Carefully apply some new solder to the joint, as said the boards get weak because of ageing.... That was really good piece of advice. As I have no actual experience in these yet, this really gives me the reference like where to start working. As I am a bit afraid of the tv voltages, I will be most causious when working with it... ipaul: Of course if the tube (picture) still is/was ok it's worth fixing because you're right: the sound is great and so is the picture (if tube not worn) and can still easily compete with any modern tv. In fact, i've seen them with better convergence and geometry than it's newer brothers: MX6000/7000 etc., however, bear in mind the value is low of these tv's so spending your own time on it doesn't matter but i would advise not to spend a lot of money on it. Than again usually this is not needed......90% of the problems with this tv is related to bad soldering/connections which only cost time (to find).
As far as I remember, the tube was relatively fine, the set has been in heavy use, but it can be checked still before the work. As the set works that much. Only reason I'll attempt this repair is really the interest in trying and the fact that's still B&O for free for me in my case. And I really have experience in projects that keep running looong time.... ;) ipaul: If you get it working again spend even more time on cleaning it carefully with a vacuum cleaner and a small brush: the 16 year dust blanket usually found in these tv's keeps the heat in which doesn't help much if you like to keep it for another 20 years :).
That won't be a problem in this case. The relative of mine that owns the set has been always cleaned it every week with a vacuum cleaner, so I guess there won't be too much dust inside. And it's been in place that it has no furnitures etc. covering it from any side.
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