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  • 01-21-2011 1:20 AM

    Beogram 4002 cable identification

    I recently acquired a Beogram 4002 in near mint condition and really like it.  Everything works flawlessly on it except one thing.  Someone had previously hacked off the DIN Connector and did a poor job of putting on some RCA connections.  It's been working but with intermittent drop outs in the left channel that were fixed with a wiggle of the plug at the amp connection.  It's gotten progressively worse and it's time to fix it.  I removed the butcher job the previous person had done, but now have a problem figuring out what wires are what.  Not finding much help in searches, only PIN indentifiers, which don't help me because I don't have the DIN connection on it.  What I do have is this.  The cross section of the cable goes like this:

    Outer Copper colored wire layer, layer of insulation, then a silver wire layer, then another layer of insulation, then in the center core 4 wires with insulation colors Red, Blue, Yellow and Brown.  So I just want to start from scratch here and solder new RCA connectors to this.  But I need to know what each of these wires are for.  ie: Right+, Right-, Left+ and so on.  I wasn't able to confidently indentify them when taking the old ones off because they were too messed up and want to make shure they're right this time anyway.  This does have a seperate ground wire which appears to be OEM also.  And of course it does have the 4 channel capability, which I won't be using.  But I don't know if any of those wires have anything to do with that.  Are the inside colored wires like a standard tonearm wire scheme of some kind, like you'd see plugged into a standard cardridge?  Any help indentifying these wires would be greatly appreciated So I can get my signal again.  Otherwise I love this 'table and want to keep it going.

    Thanks in advance for any help or info in the right direction!

  • 01-21-2011 4:20 AM In reply to

    • yachadm
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    Re: Beogram 4002 cable identification

    Hi BeoStick

    If you have the CD4 demodulator, your connector should look like the picture:

    Red - Right Rear +

    Blue - Left Rear +

    Yellow - Left Front +

    Brown - Right Front +

    Their Minus signal is the common SIGNAL ground - the silver wire layer.

    The outer copper layer is ground to the casing of your receiver/amplifier. The silver wire layer and outer copper layer are NOT connected together - you can open your BeoGram to see this!

    That CD4 demodulator is a superb RIAA amplifier - you do not need another phono preamp with it!

    Connect the cable to your amplifier's Line-in connection (Tape/ CD/ VCR/DVD).

    Menahem


    Learn from the mistakes of others - you'll not live long enough to make them all yourself!

  • 01-22-2011 10:04 PM In reply to

    Re: Beogram 4002 cable identification

    Hey Menahem, Thanks so much, this is exacty what I needed. I'll try and work on it this weekend. To use that CD4 demodulator as a phonograph preamp do you have to switch the switch on the side to "CD4" and does it work fine if only using a stereo mmc4000 cartridge and front L & R outputs (not 4channel)?

    Thanks s much, your help is already great!
  • 01-23-2011 1:02 AM In reply to

    • yachadm
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    Re: Beogram 4002 cable identification

    The CD4 switch at the OFF position activates the function of a standard Stereo RIAA amplifier.

    The CD4 switch at the CD4 position activates the quadraphonic decoding circuits.

    The MMC4000 is not capable of picking up the 30kHz carrier-signal on a CD-4 LP, so you don't ever have to put the switch at the CD4 position.

    Only if you have the B&O MMC5000, MMC6000, or the SoundSmith SMMC20CL cartridges, will the CD4 position be of any use.

    And for only STEREO LP's (as opposed to Quad LP's), the MMC4000 (or SMMC20EN) is a nicer sounding cartridge, than the more expensive cartridges mentioned above.

    Regarding your cable, if you want a ready-made cable with the 4 RCA plugs already professionally made (I think you'll have a heck of a job with the single signal-ground silver cable to 4 plugs), contact lazerwave - I send o lot of customers to him - Tell him what you want, and he'll custom-build it for you.

    http://myworld.ebay.com/lazerwave&sspagename=ADME:X:CEM:US:11

    You'll just have to solder his cable to the CD4 connector in the photo.

     

    And if you want more details on taking care of your BG4002, download this

    http://www.condoraudio.com/wp-content/uploads/Projects/BeoGram-4002-6000-Turntable-Restoration-Repair.pdf

     

    Menahem

     

    Learn from the mistakes of others - you'll not live long enough to make them all yourself!

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