I don't know what it is. But I'm losing interest. Losing interest in reading forum threads on Beoworld.org

At the early days of Beoworld.com I was a frequent visitor/poster. Near the end of the old forum I had purchased a brand new Beovision 7. And had lots to talk about. Almost 4 years have past. 

Since then we got a Beolab 2, a baby boy called Daniël and switched from Audi to Volvo and Peugot to BMW.

Maybe my interest is switched more to raising our son. But I can't help notice there are not a lot of new products, or we don't discuss them a lot. I'm not in the market for something new. But nevertheless I'm interested in the Beosound 5.

Other possiblity is that I'm more into simple (read cheap) solutions like the following configuration; a Mac Mini, Beoport and Remote Buddy software on an iPod Touch. And control the computer to get HD playback quality on a HD-not-ready MK1 Beovision 7. Now DVDpedia is installed on the Mac Mini I'm even able to playback full stored DVD's on screen.

Maybe it's my age. In June 2008 I will become 41 years old...

 

Sorry. 

I think we all go through phases and your son is far more important than B&O! We are about to put some pictures of the new B&O museum up  (once I can get the photos in a gallery!! ) which you might like to see though. I agree that it is a quiet time for B&O superficially though I dare say there are a few people running around like headless chickens at Struer!

Have a break but keep us in mind - I will rely on you being around for inside information on shavers though!  

Hey Coolskin - no need to apologise!!!

Peter is correct as ever - Family is way more important.

A change (hopefully temporary) is as good as a rest!

Cheers

Nigel 

When my daughter was your son's age, she was the most incredible thing in the world to me. Still is, actually -- but back then was special. She was conversing with me, full of curiosity, and wanted me to rediscover what the world was all about together with her - I actually quit a globetrotter job in order to be closer to her then, and I don't regret it for one second.
Enjoy every second you can spend with your son at this point in his life!

Hi there, take a different spin on things.............

I'm 42, got 2 kids,although they're 16 & 19 got a mortgage, boring job, but hey..............

I discovered B&O learned how to clean my vinyl properly, got a good deck, put on an MMC2 and yep, played my old 80's vinyl..............

Sure, I've gone digital, use Ipods and computer uploads, but revisit the best days of your life ........

If you're like me and by the age you should be, crank up the early 80's music through your system and yep, suddenly you've no problems................

Try Simple Minds - New Gold Dream .......

Sorry, is that the baby crying............. back to reality ..........................   

I remember the good old Beoworld days with rumours, drawings and pics....

 

I'm also loosing interest on Beoworld and on B&O too. It's hard to explain but...

I feel a little disappointed because we don't see new products and because the B&O range seems not up to date compared to other fast moving brands (Loewe, Geneva, BW, ...). What to discuss about (prices, decreasing quality and service, bad experiences, ...)?

I also feel that B&O becomes a brand only for high income peoples who are only looking for the exclusivity and the (very high) price. I can afford some products but I think that prices are no more matching the real life. For me the dream is dead and for the same price a new mechanical watch or a journey around the world makes me more vibrate. I hope that the future will bring better days.

Sorry to be so negative but I had to say this (and sorry for my bad english). 

Bear in mind B&O are still kinda getting their feet back on the ground at present. I expect we'll see a barrage of product changes at some point (even if it's not for a while yet).

Frede's visit to the new museum is now on site - look in the Photo section.

Lack of excitement is something that we are aware of at present and it is quite difficult to scoop when not much is happening.  Does a bigger fully specced BV8 interest anyone though?

Alex:

Bear in mind B&O are still kinda getting their feet back on the ground at present. I expect we'll see a barrage of product changes at some point (even if it's not for a while yet).

I hope you are right, Alex. We haven't had much new products during the last year. To go back to Coolskin's topic, I think it is, as Peter said, normal that the interest in Beoworld and B&O flucuates. Almost every member should have noticed this. 

Ok, Bang and Olufsen may be struggling to keep us excited at the moment, and we know this is a difficult time for them. Perhaps things might liven up a little in September when Kalle Hvidt Nielsen takes up his position as CEO. September seems such a long time away too!
But Beoworld! It's like being down the pub with all your mates, with all their nuances too.
I may have been a bit quiet over the past week or so (two christenings, garden to sort out for the summer, tax return to sort out and a dicky tummy on top of all that), but I for one, definately am not losing interest.

Andy T.

Just for the record, and to reiterate what Peter said, we (the moderating team) have also noticed that BeoWorld has become a little flat just recently.

Personally, i don't actually thinks it's a fault of BeoWorld as we are an enthusiasts site here to talk (in the main) about Bang & Olufsen.  Therefore, if nothing is really happening with the company, we tend to drag up old issues and people naturally get a little bored.  We really are quite a demanding bunch when it comes to mental stimulation.. probably because we're all so intelligent etc.

Jos - there is nothing like spending time with your children, and you are obviously a devoted father. Why not limit your visits to BeoWorld to a couple of times a week? That way it will be more stimulating as you sift through the threads hunting for the ones that interest you? 

One thing that has really bothered me is that we were promised little scoops and extra news, which have turned out to be total garbage in newsworthy terms.  In return for this promise, we have been sensible with new product rumour releases and have tried not to ruin things for the company.  I admit to feeling a little cheated, but i must stress that this is not the fault of the marketing department in Struer - they have their orders, and they too have alimited supply of info.

It then comes to the question of do we release news as we hear it, having a total disregard for the wellbeing of Bang & Olufsen and therefore becoming 'the enemy' and being ostracised (as the previous owner of BeoWorld was), or do we try and be fair with them and we all get treated to trips in Struer and get boxes of gifts for the draw etc etc.  I thought the perfect balance was to hold back on rumours that could damage the brand and dealers sales in exchange for some genuine scoops and inside info to keep us all interested. This clearly has not materialised.

It's the old case of being between a rock and a hard place...

Lee

9 LEE:

One thing that has really bothered me is that we were promised little scoops and extra news, which have turned out to be total garbage in newsworthy terms.  In return for this promise, we have been sensible with new product rumour releases and have tried not to ruin things for the company.  I admit to feeling a little cheated, but i must stress that this is not the fault of the marketing department in Struer - they have their orders, and they too have alimited supply of info.

Well, if I can speak for just myself, I didn't come here for that stuff, and I didn't opt for gold membership for that stuff either. Certainly I like to hear about the new products from Struer, but I can just as well wait for the news to make the general public (and I think I'd feel the same way even if I had anything newer than 15 years old at home...).

I believe this forum will live or die simply on the enthusiasm of the people who write here. I don't see that running out anytime soon. 

I think I know how Coolskin feels, because I have had similar experiences with B&O, Mercedes-Benz and Aviation. There are times when one is hungry for everything and anything concerning a particular brand / theme and then there are times one could not be bothered for a couple of weeks. Also Life does get in the way every now and then.

 

I actually believe that the comradeship on this forum coupled with the knowledge is what I come here for not because I want the latest news before anyone else.

 You can not drink Champagne every day you need a little break from it every now and then for you to appreciate it fully.
 

I noted too that it's not so busy anymore. I don't care so much about rumors, that will not keep the site alive.

I think the photo upload gallery function that would add some sparkle. I know it's underway. Can't say often enough that I would prefer smaller monthly prices  but more money into the site development even though it's probably much more expensive then we all think to do enhancements to the site.

 

That said, I am not just interested in the B&O stuff. What people watch and listen too, I find equally interesting. Same for furniture & other lifestyle discussions ....

 

Cheers

JK 

Where I live, the days have gotten longer, the weather is warm, everything is green, I can go swimming in the water, and sitting in front of the computer really feels like work now! There may be a connection there ...

jk1002:

I noted too that it's not so busy anymore. I don't care so much about rumors, that will not keep the site alive.

 

Disagree,
Im also believe in that rumours, pics (in any kind) are important to bring new excitement. Take a look at Apple how the community is generating all the rumours about the future products. This keep the people's interest awake .And Apple always enjoyed it.

It is true the forum is a bit quieter that usual recently. 

For me it is the lack of new product from B&O, and the fact that I am not planning to buy anything right now (so I do not need to ask questions).

I have a suggestion for the evolution of the site:

I'd like to see a B&O wiki. A B&O encyclopedia that we would all build.

It would contain historical info about B&O as well as technical info. 

Basically it would initially contain the content of the static site + beotech, and then we could all expand it.

p. 

I too share some of the sentiments of some of the members on this thread. I have been holding off on starting a similar thread but thought it was completely counter-productive. However, as the subject has been brought out into the light, I feel I am compelled to discuss.

For me, it has nothing to do with other noble priorities such as raising a family, doing exams or simply going through tougher financial times etc... or lack of products.

No for me, it has been the excessive rantings of the BOB's (B&O Bashers).

Now don't get me wrong, I have nothing against forum members stating a case about faulty products, poorly performing products, prices or say customer service. Quite the contrary, however, there seems to be a recent phenomena that the same topics have re-occurred again and again and again by the same few forum members as to a point where it has gone beyond simple critique with eloquent argument, into something rather nasty and destructive "because I and I alone am right" attitude.

I can't help feel that recent posts have a) deflated a good deal of the "casual" forum members (i.e. not the hard-core members who respond to every thread) but those who interject every now and then with decent queries, arguments etc.. and b) that it has done a certain amount of financial damage to B&O itself with comments that a casual guest would find alarming when based solely on the opinion that what the individual wants/believes should be what everyone and B&O should want or need.

Finally, I also feel that there is a growing lack of tolerance showed to some of our other members that has also become questionable. Where someone has an opinion different from our own - no matter how controversial, and that the thread adheres to the normal forum rules, then they should be allowed to air it and not be ostracised because of it. I see one member in particular who in my opinion has toned down his opinions to what looks to me like appeasement of the few, yet this forum now somehow lacks for raw argument and passion that this member IMHO projected.

Slowly but surely, I believe that there are few members in this forum which are killing-off this forum because of their stale and repetitive views until eventually it will no-doubt look a quiet as the Beocentral forum or even worse, B&O's forum pages.

I may not be the one to cast the first stone (without sin), but I feel we have to liven things up, get controversial and also throw in a hint of argument and eloquence as well.

That is that of my chest!

 

10%

 

 

 

 

I love new product gossip and judging by the popularity of posts like BS5 Any news??? I guess others do too.

More gossip please & start the picture section too ASAP please. 

i guess mr 0.1% was having a dig at posters like me and 355f ( for having opinions )

i always thought forums were all about differing opposing ideas

if we all agreed that bno could do no wrong and all their products were perfect what would be the point ? 

in my view it's called constructive criticism , if bno had taken on board some of our suggestions they wouldn't be in such a mess in the first place 

their out of touch arrogance has led to their downfall , simple as that 

you'd think they'd have learned from the past - this all happened before in the early 90's... 

Certainly some topics have been overdone in recent times, however it is unlikely you can have "raw argument" without at least some "B&O bashers". Sadly, no matter how reasoned the debate, it is most unlikely that either side will ever agree with the other and we have seen time and time again tempers spill over into personal abuse and attack (and even worse, pack attacks on an individual). Reasoned debate is fine but if one view point is seen as "excessive rantings" it is unlikely to end well.

Personally I find this site to be impecabley well mannered and most disputes are sorted in a reasonable way, I would hate to think it degenerated into a "macworld" environment where personal abuse seems to be the order of the day.

As for causing financial damage to the company, no one seemed to object to the damage we may have caused to sales of the BS6! Posts here on Beoworld will only ever be peoples personal opnions and as such are equally as valid as anyone elses. I would hope prospective buyers are intelligent enough to read everything and bear it all in mind when they visit the dealer to decide for themselves.

 btw - if anyone would like me to make up some rumours to discuss please let me know

Sometime back I did lose some interest in the site but lately I've been quite interested. I'm always interested in the new products but also love to collect the older products and find out as much as I can about them and the history of B&O.

 Also the main purpose for of this site as I see it is not so much what will be the new release (too many threads about it in my opinion) but helping people with the problems people have with their existing equipment. Something that seems so simple to you could be very confusing to another. I think keeping as many B&O's alive and extending the love for the brand is very important. We must be here to provide as much information, help to others as possible and to encourage people to post even the most basic of questions.

 

Flappo

I don't think it is the fact that you have an opinion that is the problem, and you are not the only one!

One of the things that had lead me to lose interest is having so many threads on more or less the same topic, specifically we seem to have had the same discussion around new B&O products (particularlyTV's)  being overpriced compared to the good old days when the Avant was king on endless repeat for months now without any kind of resolution or new thoughts added to the mix.

It takes two to tango and people on the other side of the debate have participated too, but when it comes down to it this is a forum for people who like B&O, which is why having the same criticisms of B&O repeated endlessly becomes a little bit dull and flat, everybody already knows how frustrated you (and some other members)  are with B&Os strategy. Sometimes it might be  worth stopping before posting and considering whether repeating  the same points  is adding to the debate in any way or is becoming simply 'noise'.

I am sorry if this has come across as rude, it isn't meant to be,  but it may help you understand that the reason  some of your posts get the reaction they do is more complicated that people  not liking the fact you have an opinion.

 Simon

Flappo,

The intention of my post was to describe to the forum how I feel and to try and to mitigate some of those feelings with "what I do and what I do unto others". It offered a civilised personal opinion. I may not be a saint (religious overtones of this post is not intentional) and nor am I the happy-go-merry contributor of lots of zappy and interesting posts but rather somewhat a forum "plodder".

However, the post I submitted was aimed generally at those contributors who I feel overshadow the forum with their negativity which in IMHO has gone way past constructive criticism.

Further, I did not mention any ones name as I feel in context it was impolite to do so and I certainly did not seek to cause offence to any forum member by belittling their forum name, or opinions as you have seen to have done so now with mine and therefore by action, have proven one of my points!

Further more, your comments "if bno had taken on board some of our suggestions they wouldn't be in such a mess in the first place" and "their out of touch arrogance has led to their downfall , simple as that" requires inspection.

Is this comment not self-arrogance and by that demonstrates a further point of my argument in that some forum members assume that they have a moral high-ground on what exactly B&O's business plan and products should or should not be?

Your post and your comments let you down and that for me is the main reason I don't come to this site as often as I should.

What more can I say?

 

10% (thats Mr10percent)