[quote user="Nickyg63"] maybe the crt will return with a vengance!!! [/quote] Hahaha yeah! Lets buy up all the Avants and MX's we can find now for 20quid a piece - we could make enough to buy one of those Mulsannes or a Phantom each

[quote user="Nickyg63"]Its funny that bmw and vw had an intrest in bentley, the base model arnage had the bmw 4.4 engine![/quote] Yes, I think it was the Arnage Green Label that was given the 4.4 engine, as was very early models of the RR Silver Seraph... What is even more remarkable however is that after using this 4.4 BMW derived unit for

[quote user="Nickyg63"] I think I am correct in saying that modern bentleys use a vw engine W12 and is produced alongside the phaeton in germany. I will confim this when i return to work tomorrow. [/quote] Some are yes, such as the Continental GT & Flying Spur (unfortunately), but the (reletively new) flagship Mulsanne is using the fabulous

[quote user="adamhornsby"]As for Beolit 12, I am swayed more to the Sonos system, it sounds fantastic. And as a retailer I could get it for half price. Loewe also have an air speaker which looks promising. [/quote] What a traitor....!! Only joking Adam

Yes Lee, i'll have a go. Email coming shortly.

[quote user="TerryM"] The introduction of two outsourced products aimed at a particular market segment/demographic is hardly to be construed as an overall 'thin end of the wedge'. As I have mentioned before,the B & W Zepellin is made in China. Has that devalued B & W,whose Nautillus speaker costs £55000,as a brand? [

[quote user="adamhornsby"]I have to agree with you Bentleyman, personal issues shouldn't come into it. Anyone fancy a dig with me being a student?[/quote] Agreed! As a student and a member of Beoworld, i'm guessing you are one of the new generation of customers B&O are seeking to capture with the Play range? Do you like the direction

[quote user="joeyboygolf"] It was but it's not now. They both have more money than sense and should have left this sort of exchange behind in the playground! [/quote] Thats a bit below the belt joeyboygolf.... As i've just said, either this thread should end, or carry on talking about the original topic, outsourcing. Members usernames

Yes, I agree folkdeejay. I'm done talking with moxxey, so I vote that either this thread finishes, or if anyone wants to get back on track and give us their views on their perceived merits (or otherwise) of B&O outsourcing, overall this thread has been very good, with some well made and valid views from both sides of the outsourcing debate.

[quote user="Flappo"] I love how these threads degenerate into I've got more money than you crap. BORING. I also seem to recall that Bentley's are now all just tarted up VW's. I gess some people have more money than sense. [/quote] This was NOT my desire or intention at all. But if you read the unprovoked comment from moxxey attempting